[news.sysadmin] Proposal for comp.security

rang@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Anton Rang) (11/04/88)

I believe that a security group would probably do more good than harm,
as long as most system administrators READ IT!  For that matter, a
question somebody might know the answer to:

  Is it possible to restrict access to a newsgroup (on a particular
  machine)?  For instance, by changing the mode of its spool dir?
  If so, this would solve 99% of the problems with a security group,
  at least here--just don't give ordinary users privs to see it!

Is there currently an active mailing list on this?  I've read some
postings which suggested it (actually, that there are 2 or 3).  Could
somebody E-mail me information on subscribing?  (I've been trying to
improve security out here for...oh, since I got here.)
  Thanks,

	Anton Rang (rang@cpswh.cps.msu.edu)

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nagel@paris.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) (11/05/88)

In article <1005@cps3xx.UUCP>, rang@cpsin3 (Anton Rang) writes:
|I believe that a security group would probably do more good than harm,
|as long as most system administrators READ IT!  For that matter, a
|question somebody might know the answer to:
|
|  Is it possible to restrict access to a newsgroup (on a particular
|  machine)?  For instance, by changing the mode of its spool dir?
|  If so, this would solve 99% of the problems with a security group,
|  at least here--just don't give ordinary users privs to see it!

Well, yes, you could do that for a local spool directory.  But what about
those sites (like ours) that have a central news database with the rest
of the hosts reading via NNTP?  Even if you added some kind of security
check into the nntp daemon, there is *no* way (that I know of) to
authenticate the posting or reading of an article based on user or group
privileges.  The best you can do is to deny posting access to a 
particular host.  I wish there was a way to do this...

Mark D. Nagel
  UC Irvine - Dept of Info and Comp Sci | The probability of someone
  nagel@ics.uci.edu             (ARPA)  | watching you is proportional to
  {sdcsvax|ucbvax}!ucivax!nagel (UUCP)  | the stupidity of your action.

newsadm@mcgp1.UUCP (Netnews Administrator) (11/06/88)

In article <1005@cps3xx.UUCP>, rang@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Anton Rang) writes:
>   Is it possible to restrict access to a newsgroup (on a particular
>   machine)?  For instance, by changing the mode of its spool dir?
>   If so, this would solve 99% of the problems with a security group,
>   at least here--just don't give ordinary users privs to see it!

As luck would have it, yesterday I had to do just that.  I took Spaf's
FASCIST code and modified it, calling it PRUDE.  Basically, it makes
groups that certain users are not allowed to see seem to not even exist.

I will soak it here for another week and then post the diffs.

PLEASE, no flames about censorship.  I didn't like doing it, but a rather
sticky situation here demanded it.  (Actually, the PRUDE default is "all".
The one and only person I'm restricting is a certain member of upper
management.  I'm operating under the theory that what he doesn't know can't
hurt me.  :-)  )



					John Opalko

					newsadm@mcgp1.UUCP	(on duty)
					jgo@mcgp1.UUCP		(off duty)