peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (11/12/88)
Gene Spafford and Cliff Stohl, together with Renee Montaine and Robert Segal (spelling subject to random drug testing, ordering subject to the whimsy of the script) talked viruses last night on NPR. A humorous and remarkably accurate (for a popular presentation) description of the worm was aired, and a call for moderation was made. Congratulations... now if you can only get CBS to air it... (Voice over... "Hello MIT", "Hello, please log in", "No thanks, I'd just like a list of machines you talk to", "OK, there's Berkeley...", "Thanks, SUCKER"... (dialing sounds) "Hello, Berkeley", "Hello, please log in", "No thanks, I'd just like to send some mail", "OK, where to?", "DEBUG"... (dramatic chord, evil laughter, etc...)) Damn, I wish I'd got that on tape. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Ferranti International Controls Corporation "Have you hugged U your wolf today?" uunet.uu.net!ficc!peter Disclaimer: My typos are my own damn business. peter@ficc.uu.net
cosell@bbn.com (Bernie Cosell) (11/12/88)
In article <2197@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: }Gene Spafford and Cliff Stohl, together with Renee Montaine and Robert }Segal (spelling subject to random drug testing, ordering subject to the }whimsy of the script) talked viruses last night on NPR. A humorous and }remarkably accurate (for a popular presentation) description of the worm }was aired, and a call for moderation was made. } }Congratulations... now if you can only get CBS to air it... } }(Voice over... "Hello MIT", "Hello, please log in", "No thanks, I'd just }like a list of machines you talk to", "OK, there's Berkeley...", "Thanks, }SUCKER"... (dialing sounds) "Hello, Berkeley", "Hello, please log in", "No }thanks, I'd just like to send some mail", "OK, where to?", "DEBUG"... }(dramatic chord, evil laughter, etc...)) } }Damn, I wish I'd got that on tape. You can. Instead of lamenting that you missed the opportunity to steal a copy of their report by pirating a copy, you can call NPR (202-822-2000) and ask to BUY a copy. They'll be happy to accommodate. $15, I believe. __ / ) Bernie Cosell /--< _ __ __ o _ BBN Sys & Tech, Cambridge, MA 02238 /___/_(<_/ (_/) )_(_(<_ cosell@bbn.com
wolfgang@mgm.mit.edu (Wolfgang Rupprecht) (11/12/88)
>}Gene Spafford and Cliff Stohl, together with Renee Montaine and Robert >}Segal (spelling subject to random drug testing, ordering subject to the >}whimsy of the script) talked viruses last night on NPR. A humorous and >}Damn, I wish I'd got that on tape. >You can. Instead of lamenting that you missed the opportunity to steal a ^^^^^ >copy of their report by pirating a copy, you can call NPR (202-822-2000) >and ask to BUY a copy. They'll be happy to accommodate. $15, I believe. PLEASE! Lets not get so hyper... It seems that this virus/worm is really bringing out the ugly side in lots of otherwise reasonable people. I would be very surprised to hear that the right to record radio shows doesn't fall under the same "time-shifting" fair-use provision of the law as the legal recording of TV programs with a VCR. Not that NPR is a place to donate money to... -wolfgang Wolfgang Rupprecht ARPA: wolfgang@mgm.mit.edu (IP 18.82.0.114) TEL: (617) 267-4365 UUCP: mit-eddie!mgm.mit.edu!wolfgang
whh@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) (11/19/88)
In article <7900@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, wolfgang@mgm.mit.edu (Wolfgang Rupprecht) writes: > >You can. Instead of lamenting that you missed the opportunity to steal a > ^^^^^ > >copy of their report by pirating a copy, you can call NPR (202-822-2000) > >and ask to BUY a copy. They'll be happy to accommodate. $15, I believe. > > I would be very surprised to hear that the right to record radio shows > doesn't fall under the same "time-shifting" fair-use provision of the > law as the legal recording of TV programs with a VCR. *That* issue was settled in the '50s. It is legal to tape off the air for your own use without violating copyright. However--you'll probably get a better copy by purchasing it from NPR. --Hal ========================================================================= Hal Heydt | "Hafnium plus Holmium is Analyst, Pacific*Bell | one-point-five, I think." 415-645-7708 | --Dr. Jane Robinson {att,bellcore,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!pbhya!whh
rolfe@w3vh.UU.NET (Rolfe Tessem) (11/20/88)
In article <21672@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whh@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes: > In article <7900@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, wolfgang@mgm.mit.edu (Wolfgang Rupprecht) writes: > > I would be very surprised to hear that the right to record radio shows > > doesn't fall under the same "time-shifting" fair-use provision of the > > law as the legal recording of TV programs with a VCR. > > *That* issue was settled in the '50s. It is legal to tape off the air > for your own use without violating copyright. However--you'll probably > get a better copy by purchasing it from NPR. > > --Hal > I don't believe that this was settled in the '50s as you state, but rather just a few years ago in the Sony "Betamax Case" that went to the Supreme Court. The key here is "for your own personal use." Another element of the copyright law that seems to be widely misunderstood here is the concept of "fair usage," which basically means I may use excerpts of a copyrighted work in reportage without compensating the copyright owner. For example, when Jimmy Cagney died, and all three network news broadcasts ran obituaries using excerpts from his films, *none* of the networks paid licensing fees to the studios that own the films as they would have had to if they'd been used in an entertainment compilation. This almost cetainly doesn't belong in news.sysadmin any longer, but I'm not sure where to direct followups... -- UUCP: uunet!w3vh!rolfe | Rolfe Tessem INTERNET: rolfe@w3vh.uu.net | P.O. Box 793 AMPRNET: rolfe@w3vh.ampr.org [44.44.0.1] | Great Barrington, MA 01230 PACKET RADIO: w3vh@wa2pvv | (413) 528-5966
whh@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) (11/21/88)
In article <375@w3vh.UU.NET>, rolfe@w3vh.UU.NET (Rolfe Tessem) writes: > In article <21672@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whh@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes: > > In article <7900@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, wolfgang@mgm.mit.edu (Wolfgang Rupprecht) writes: > > > [about taping radio shows -- and legality of it] > > > I don't believe that this was settled in the '50s as you > state, but rather just a few years ago in the Sony "Betamax > Case" that went to the Supreme Court. The key here is "for > your own personal use." It was settled for *video* when various people sued Sony. The general case was settled many years before--almost as soon as TAPE RECORDERS became cheap enough for the average person to afford. If you want to be really nasty, you could check to see if the issue came up when wire recorders were in vogue. > ["fair use" of excerpts] My wife writes--believe me, I know about "fair use." > This almost cetainly doesn't belong in news.sysadmin any > longer, but I'm not sure where to direct followups... Likewise. But I think it's been covered now and can be directed to /dev/null. --Hal ========================================================================= Hal Heydt | "Hafnium plus Holmium is Analyst, Pacific*Bell | one-point-five, I think." 415-645-7708 | --Dr. Jane Robinson {att,bellcore,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!pbhya!whh