esa@kvvax4.UUCP (01/05/70)
Quite a few years ago I was attending a summer course about 'Small Databases and AI' in Sweden at Uppsala University, and they had a full (?) InterLisp running on their IBM machines. I might be able to dig a bit further but maybe the Swedes, which are subsrcibing to this group (if there are any) can be more helpful? Esa K Viitala (decvax!mcvax!kvport!kvvax4!esa) Corporate R & D Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, UDM4 P.O.Box 25 N-3601 Kongsberg Norway
dickson@psuvax.UUCP (B. Scott Dickson) (12/20/83)
Here at Penn State, we have started several new courses in
Artificial Intelligence. To make these work well, we really
need a lisp. This would be simple if the couses used
UNIX, but they use IBM VM/370 VM/SP2 (soon to be VM/SP3),
and we have no ideas as to where a good lisp for VM/370
can be found. The version we have right now is a hacked
version of Lisp 1.5, and it really isn't fit for modern
Lisp programming.
===> If anyone has any ideas as to where we could find a
===> good lisp, or any information or pointers to one,
===> we would really appreciate it.
--Scott Dickson
Penn State University
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Bitnet: BSD@PSUVMbarmar@mit-eddie.UUCP (Barry Margolin) (12/21/83)
<bug-killer> I don't know if it is a product, but IBM has a very fancy Lisp system for CMS. Some IBM researchers were giving a talk at the MIT Lab for Computer Science a few months ago on a communications facility they had developed. While they were demonstrating it they statted up a fancy Lisp subsystem which included a very nice video (i.e. 3270, although their fancy communications facility was built into a 3270 emulator using IBM-PCs) interface and debugger. Talk to your IBM sales rep to see if this is really available; it is probably very expensive, though. -- Barry Margolin ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar
hal@cornell.UUCP (Hal Perkins) (12/23/83)
A couple of years ago, IBM started marketing LISP/370, which was developed
at Yorktown Heights. I assume this is an earlier version of the LISP system
they are currently using. It is probably still available as an Installed
User Program (IUP)--ask your IBM salesman for details. The only bad thing
I've heard about it is the price: a one-time fee of $10,000! I'm told that
this is because the marketing folks figured they could only sell 3 or 4
copies to places like GM Research. And of course at that price, they're
right. Few universities will pay that price for something that is used
only in a few CS courses. I think the developers tried to convince them
that if it were sold for a reasonable price they probably could easily
sell lots of copies to universities and similar places. But the marketing
& legal types didn't believe it and they wanted to make sure they set the
price high enough to recover development costs so they wouldn't be sued for
dumping products below cost (an antitrust hassle).
At Cornell a few years ago we installed something called MTS LISP from the
University of Michigan. We had to do some dreadful hacking to get it to
run under CMS, and it was very buggy, unstable, and unpleasant. (For
example, the editor sometimes ran crazy and trashed storage.) Unless it
has gotten much better in the last few years, don't bother. We've long
since abandoned it.
Finally, I've heard rumors that some university in Tel Aviv has ported
Interlisp to an IBM 370 system. I know nothing beyond that--not even which
operating system they use. Larry Masinter at Xerox PARC (masinter@parc-maxc)
might know about this if it exists. He's one of the Interlisp gurus.
Let me know if you hear of anything else.
Hal Perkins UUCP: {decvax|vax135|...}!cornell!hal
Cornell Computer Science ARPA: hal@cornell BITNET: hal@crnlcsrobert@erix.UUCP (Robert Virding A/TN) (01/05/84)
I have heard that the Portable Standard Lisp developed at the University of Utah is being/has been ported to the IBM 370. Unfortunately I have no further details on such an implementation. Robert Virding @ L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden.