[news.software.b] Default behaviour on non-approved messages in moderated groups

sater@cs.vu.nl (Hans van Staveren) (05/11/88)

When our site gets messages from our feed in a newsgroup believed to
be moderated, it turns them into mail-messages to the moderator.
I believe this is not the best way.

I see this now for the newsgroup comp.binaries.ibm.pc, which is moderated
according to the latest checkgroups message we got. Dozens of *big* files
are shipped back over our maillink to our backbone, which clutters up
our mailfeed, and probably doesn't make the backbone happy either.

What about throwing away the message, and mailing back a short message
to the author of the article, or perhaps to usenet@posting-site?

				Hans van Staveren
				Vrije Universiteit
				Amsterdam, Holland

PS. We are running the latest version of the software, as distributed
    in this group.

rsalz@bbn.com.UUCP (05/13/88)

Yeah, it can be a pain when 20 sites are sending mail to a moderator
because 20 neighbors have a bogus active file.  There are is a hack
solution:  edit /usr/lib/news/moderators to have
	comp.binaries.ibm.pc	mail-alias
where mail-alias is a program to scan headers and bounce something back;
check out the mail reflector script.
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rsalz@bbn.com (Rich Salz) (05/13/88)

Yeah, it can be a pain when 20 sites are sending mail to a moderator
because 20 neighbors have a bogus active file.  There are is a hack
solution:  edit /usr/lib/news/moderators to have
        comp.binaries.ibm.pc        mail-alias
where mail-alias is a program to scan headers and bounce something back;
check out the mail reflector script.
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tanner@ki4pv.uucp (Dr. T. Andrews) (05/17/88)

I think that we have all just about had our fill of <n> copies of
unapproved articles for moderated groups being shuffled off to
some [mythical] moderator.

May I modestly suggest that "better" behaviour for inews might be:
	(a) if it's a local posting, mail it to moderator
	(b) otherwise, pick one or more of:
		(1) write message in "log"
		(2) write message in "errlog"
		(3) save in "junk" newsgroup
		(4) ignore lack of approval, save as normal

This business of mailing back 20 or 30 comp.binaries.ibm.pc binaries
every day is going to raise someone's eyebrows when the phone bills
comes in.
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esj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson) (05/21/88)

In article <7110@ki4pv.uucp> tanner@ki4pv.uucp (Dr. T. Andrews) writes:
>I think that we have all just about had our fill of <n> copies of
>unapproved articles for moderated groups being shuffled off to
>some [mythical] moderator.
>
>May I modestly suggest that "better" behaviour for inews might be:
>	(a) if it's a local posting, mail it to moderator
>	(b) otherwise, pick one or more of:
>		(1) write message in "log"
>		(2) write message in "errlog"
>		(3) save in "junk" newsgroup
>		(4) ignore lack of approval, save as normal
>

Not a bad idea, but there would be a gotcha for sites (like ours) 
where all posting is done via NNTP/rinews. Ya see, all posting via
remote inews are considered non-local to the news system that recieves
them. 

Perhaps instead of "non local" (as defined in the history and log
files) you should take action b is it comes from a site listed in
the sys file. (except local)


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mark@cbnews.ATT.COM (Mark Horton) (05/26/88)

Most of the bogus stuff I get has gone through a long path and
eventually hits a misconfigured site and is mailed to me.

I suggest that perhaps inews should count the !'s in the path.
If there are more than N bangs, toss it or accept it, otherwise mail it.
N could be a tunable parameter, perhaps in the range of 3 or so by default.

	Mark