[news.software.b] News 3.0 open beta test

eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) (06/23/88)

Gene Spafford recently posted an article urging me to coordinate an open
beta test of News 3.0 before release. I am quite willing to do this; the
software has already run successfully on enough different systems (including
680x0, Pyramid, and VAX processors under System V and 4.[23]BSD and under
XENIX and Microport UNIX on [23]86 boxes) that I feel very confident of its
stability and portability (it doesn't hurt that the *entire* suite lints
clean).

Volunteers for this round so far include:

Site	Machine UNIX flavor	Contact
-------	-------	-----------	--------------------------------------------
sco	80386	SCO XENIX V	Steph Marr (stephm), Keith Reynolds (keithr)
hoptoad	68020	SunOS 3.2	John Gilmore (gnu)
killer	3B2/500	SVr3.1.1	Bill Wisner (wisner)
u1100a	68010	SVr2		Eric Krohn (krohn)
csccat	HP9000	HP-UX 5.22	Jack Hudler (jack)

As you can see, we're short of BSD sites (could it be that *gasp* AT&T really
*is* the standard ;-)?). Somebody with a VAX running good old crufty 4.2 wanna
volunteer? The SCO people are going to test on a 286; I'd also love to recruit
NS32032, SPARC and a couple of RISC sites.

The following is a list of old beta sites that I haven't heard from in a while.

site	contact			processor	UNIX version
-------	-----------------------	-----------	------------------------------
cbmvax	grr (George Robbins)	VAX 11/750	Ultrix 1.2, essentially 4.2BSD
cbm	grr (George Robbins)	Zilog S8000	Zeus 5.2, a mildly wonky SVr1
jekkara	grr (George Robbins)	Zilog S8000	Zeus 3.21, SIII + BSD stuff
tapa	larry (L. Pajakowski)	80286 (PC AT)	XENIX 3.0
extel	larry (L. Pajakowski)	PDP11/70	BSD2.9
hutch	barber	(Steve Barber)	VAX, 3B2	SVr2, 4.1BSD
spectrix clewis (Chris Lewis)	68020		XENIX 3.0 (5.0 soon)
mnetor	ron (Ron Miller)	Pyramid 90x	OSx 2.5 (3.0 soon)
amdahl	gam (G. A. Moffet)	Amdahl 5890	SVr2
riacs	mab (Matt Bishop)	?		?
vu-vlsi	perry (Rick Perry)	Pyramid 90x	OSx3.1 (SVr1 + 4.2BSD)
seismo	rick (Rick Adams)	Celerity 1206D	4.2BSD with NFS
elsie	ado (Arthur Olsen)	?		?
devon	paul (P. Sutcliffe Jr)	286?		XENIX
dragon	bobm (Bob McQueer)	?		?

Are you guys still alive? Do you want to get active again?

CAVEAT: I am *still* missing vetted NNTP/NFS support. If your site depends
on this, best sit this round out.

To play, you must establish a login at my machine and be willing to poll me.
I will queue full sources for uucp on request and issue periodic bulletins
and patches to everyone who's formally on the beta list.

I can be reached most of the time at my home phone (given below). Feel free
to e-mail or call me with any questions.

-- 
      Eric S. Raymond                     (the mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
      UUCP: {{uunet,rutgers,ihnp4}!cbmvax,rutgers!vu-vlsi,att}!snark!eric
      Post: 22 South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA 19355   Phone: (215)-296-5718

eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) (06/23/88)

Gene Spafford recently posted an article urging me to coordinate an open
beta test of News 3.0 before release. I am quite willing to do this; the
software has already run successfully on enough different systems (including
680x0, Pyramid, and VAX processors under System V and 4.[23]BSD and under
XENIX and Microport UNIX on [23]86 boxes) that I feel quite confident of its
stability and portability (it doesn't hurt that the *entire* suite lints
clean).

Volunteers for this round so far include:

Site	Machine UNIX flavor	Contact
-------	-------	-----------	--------------------------------------------
sco	80386	SCO XENIX V	Steph Marr (stephm), Keith Reynolds (keithr)
hoptoad	68020	SunOS 3.2	John Gilmore (gnu)
killer	3B2/500	SVr3.1.1	Bill Wisner (wisner)
u1100a	68010	SVr2		Eric Krohn (krohn)
csccat	HP9000	HP-UX 5.22	Jack Hudler (jack)

As you can see, we're short of BSD sites (could it be that *gasp* AT&T really
*is* the standard ;-)?). Somebody with a VAX running good old crufty 4.2 wanna
volunteer? The SCO people are going to test on a 286; I'd also love to recruit
NS32032, SPARC and a couple of RISC sites.

The following is a list of old beta sites that I haven't heard from in a while.

site	contact			processor	UNIX version
-------	-----------------------	-----------	------------------------------
cbmvax	grr (George Robbins)	VAX 11/750	Ultrix 1.2, essentially 4.2BSD
cbm	grr (George Robbins)	Zilog S8000	Zeus 5.2, a mildly wonky SVr1
jekkara	grr (George Robbins)	Zilog S8000	Zeus 3.21, SIII + BSD stuff
tapa	larry (L. Pajakowski)	80286 (PC AT)	XENIX 3.0
extel	larry (L. Pajakowski)	PDP11/70	BSD2.9
hutch	barber	(Steve Barber)	VAX, 3B2	SVr2, 4.1BSD
spectrix clewis (Chris Lewis)	68020		XENIX 3.0 (5.0 soon)
mnetor	ron (Ron Miller)	Pyramid 90x	OSx 2.5 (3.0 soon)
amdahl	gam (G. A. Moffet)	Amdahl 5890	SVr2
riacs	mab (Matt Bishop)	?		?
vu-vlsi	perry (Rick Perry)	Pyramid 90x	OSx3.1 (SVr1 + 4.2BSD)
seismo	rick (Rick Adams)	Celerity 1206D	4.2BSD with NFS
elsie	ado (Arthur Olsen)	?		?
devon	paul (P. Sutcliffe Jr)	286?		XENIX
dragon	bobm (Bob McQueer)	?		?

Are you guys still alive? Do you want to get active again?

CAVEAT: I am *still* missing vetted NNTP/NFS support. If your site depends
on this, best sit this round out.

To play, you must establish a login at my machine and be willing to poll me.
I will queue full sources for uucp on request and issue periodic bulletins
and patches to everyone who's formally on the beta list.

I can be reached most of the time at my home phone (given below). Feel free
to e-mail or call me with any questions.

-- 
      Eric S. Raymond                     (the mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
      UUCP: {{uunet,rutgers,ihnp4}!cbmvax,rutgers!vu-vlsi,att}!snark!eric
      Post: 22 South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA 19355   Phone: (215)-296-5718

eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) (06/24/88)

More sites have signed up for the open beta:

Site	Machine UNIX flavor	Contact
-------	-------	-----------	--------------------------------------------
crdos	80386	SCO XENIX V	Bill Davidsen (davidsen)
bcs212	Apollo	Ersatz 4.2BSD	Vince Skahan (vader)
jhereg	3B1	AT&T System V	Mark H. Colburn (mark)
svedc	Sun 2	SunOS 3.5	Dave Heinen (dheinen)
tolerant VAX	4.2BSD		Jane Medefesser (jane)
pyrdc	Pyr90x	OS3.?		Mike Whitman (mike)

Watch this space for further developments!

-- 
      Eric S. Raymond                     (the mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
      UUCP: {{uunet,rutgers,ihnp4}!cbmvax,rutgers!vu-vlsi,att}!snark!eric
      Post: 22 South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA 19355   Phone: (215)-296-5718

erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) (06/30/88)

In article <dSk4N#3k4nn5=eric@snark.UUCP>, eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
> More sites have signed up for the open beta:

> Site	Machine UNIX flavor	Contact
>------	-------	-----------	--------------------------------------------
> jhereg	3B1	AT&T System V	Mark H. Colburn (mark)


Hey.  Just wondering what release of Unix the 3b1 beta would be testing?
3.0 or 3.5+?

3.0 only supports 8character varible names, and there are a *lot* of
us out here that can't afford the $300-$500 to upgrade the os, dev kit,
and all our goodies.

Core question of all this:

Will 3.0 support <8 character filenames?
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mark@clout.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) (07/02/88)

In article <995@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes:
>In article <dSk4N#3k4nn5=eric@snark.UUCP>, eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
>> More sites have signed up for the open beta:
>> Site	Machine UNIX flavor	Contact
>>------	-------	-----------	--------------------------------------------
>> jhereg	3B1	AT&T System V	Mark H. Colburn (mark)
>
>
>Hey.  Just wondering what release of Unix the 3b1 beta would be testing?
>3.0 or 3.5+?

My machine is running 3.51a of the operationg system with the
development set.  It would be a simple matter of compiling the
software with the -T switch on my machine to test for 8 character
variable names, however.  This is currently required of some of the
software (VDI) libraries which are on the machine now.

>Will 3.0 support <8 character filenames?

I don't know, but we will check :-)


-- 
Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.chi.il.us
			  mark@jhereg.mn.org
                          ..!chinet!jhereg!mark

davidsen@steinmetz.ge.com (William E. Davidsen Jr) (07/02/88)

There is a shortnames preprocessor which will solve your problem. I used
to use it when I had a 3B1. I think it came off the unix-pc.sources
group, but I can't remember.
-- 
	bill davidsen		(wedu@ge-crd.arpa)
  {uunet | philabs | seismo}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen
"Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me