[news.software.b] State of the 3.0 public beta test

eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) (07/08/88)

43 sites are now participating in the beta. We have lots of Suns, 80386
boxes and VAXen, a sufficiency of 3B1s and other random 680xx machines,
enough 80286es, and a couple of WE320xx machines. Conventional UNIX boxen
are, at this point, quite well represented.

Then we come to the oddballs. An Amdahl, a couple of Pyramids, a MIPS machine,
an HP9000 and even a UNIVAC (excuuuse me, that's `UniSys') 1100. For beta-ing
purposes, I love those weird machines -- and I'd like to see more of them.

So bring on your ones-complement machines, your multiprocessor boxes, your
vectorizing supercomputers, and your crufty ancient mainframes. The more
bizarre your machine is the better I'll like it (you still need to be a UNIX
site, though; I'd like to port to VMS and OS/2 but those could take a while).

So far, things have gone pretty smoothly. The most serious problems reported
have been glitches in the Configure script due to nonportable shell constructs
introduced during alpha test (not by me, I might add!). Several sites have
reported complete configuration and compilation of the software and have
started on the port validation procedure, a series of tests designed to show
that the various layers and pieces of the news software function up to spec.

Fixes for reported problems with beta level 0 have just been sent out as beta 
patch 1. Said patch also includes some optimizations that cut news processing
costs significantly for sites that are leaf or twig nodes.

Returns from live testing, with real feeds from 2.11 and older sites, should
start coming in by early next week.

contact	name	(fullname)	Phone		processor   Sta	UNIX version
---------------	---------------	--------------	----------- ---	-------------
amdahl!gam	G. A. Moffet	(408)-746-8287	Amdahl 5890 P1	SVr3.1
arnold!dave	Dave Arnold	(714)-586-5894	AT&T 3B1    P1	SVr1
att!tgt		Tim Thompson	(614)-860-7026	3B5, 3B20   P1	SVr3
barris!tim	Tim Tegtmeier	(701)-282-5750	NCR 32/600  P1	SVr2
bigtex!james	~ Van Artsdalen (512)-328-0280	80386       P1	Microport V/386
cbmvax!grr	George Robbins	(215)-431-9836	VAX 11/750  P1	Ultrix 1.2
cocktrice!mdm	Mike Mitchell	(505)-662-6296	80286       P1	SVr2
cooper!mayer	Mayer Ilovitz	(212)-353-4350	Intel310    P1	XENIX3.0
crdos1!davidsen	Bill ~		(518)-387-6489	80386       P1	SCO XENIX V
csccat!jack	~ Hudler	(214)-661-8960	HP9000      P1	HP-UX 5.22
cvedc!dheinen	Dave Heinen	(503)-645-2410	Sun 2       P1	SunOS 3.5
datacube!cag	Chris Gantz	(617)-535-6644	Sun 3/280   W1	SunOS 3.5
devon!paul	~ Sutcliffe Jr	(717)-295-5478	TRS80-16    P1	XENIX
daver!dlr	Dave Rand	(408)-721-7099	32000       W1	V.[23]
elan!jlo	Jeff Lo		(415)-322-2450	MicroVax II W1	Ultrix 1.1
eplrx7!lad	Lawr. Deleski	(302)-695-9013	MicroVax II P1	MORE/4.3BSD
hoptoad!gnu	John Gilmore	(415)-221-6524	Sun 3       P1	SunOS 3.2
jackson!egranthm Ewan Grantham	(601)-354-6454	Unisys 5000 W1	SVr2
killer!wisner	Bill Wisner	(208)-286-7335	3B2/500     P1	SVr3.1.1
libove!jay	Jay Libove	(412)-621-9649	80286       W1	XENIX 222.1
mcf!shan	Sharan Kalwani	(313)-833-0710	VAX 11/750  P1	4.3BSD
lts!root	Kurt Baumann	(703)-478-0010	AT&T 3B2    P1	System V
mips!koblas	David Koblas	(408)-991-0287	MIPS        P1	4.3BSD
ncc!lyndon	~ Nerenberg	(403)-421-8181	Sun 3/280    -	SunOS 3.[45]
obdient!blair	Doug Blair	(312)-653-5527	80386       P1	Microport SVr3
oss410!tkevans	Tim K. Evans	(301)-965-3286	VAX         P1	4.2BSD
otishq!root	Harry Skelton	(703)-222-6889	68020       W1	SV
pbox!pete	~ Rourke	(918)-664-0724	80386       P1	SCO XENIX 2.2.3
polyslo!steve	~ DeJarnet	(805)-756-2147	Pyramid 90x P1	OSx4.4
pyrdc!mike	~ Whitman	(703)-848-2050	Pyramid 90x P1	OSx4.4
sco!stephm	Steph Marr	(800)-626-4381	80386       P1	SCO XENIX Vr3
splut!jay	Jay Maynard	(713)-332-3376	PC/AT clone P1	Microport 2.3.0
stanton!donegan	Steven ~	(714)-474-2033	286          -	SCO 2.2.1
telesci!gaa	Gary Algier	(609)-866-1000	Sun 3/50    W1	SunOS 4.0
telesof!bruceb	B. Bergman	(619)-457-2700	Sun 2       P1	SunOS 3.4
toleran!jane	~ Medefesser	(408)-433-5588	VAX 11-780  W1	4.2BSD
u1100a!krohn	Eric Krohn	(201)-699-4501	Unisys 1100 W1	SVr2
unisec!dpw	Darryl Waggoner	(617)-226-1344	3B1          -	3.51
urbsdc!darrell	~ McIntosh	(217)-384-8509	Gould 9080  W1	UTX 2.0
vader!bcs212	Vince Skahan	(215)-591-4116	Apollo      P1	Ersatz 4.2BSD
vu-vlsi!perry	Rick Perry	(215)-645-4224	Pyramid 90x P1	OSx3.1
wb3ffv!howard	~ Leadmon	(301)-335-2206	80386 + TB  P1	Microport V/386
winfree!bdale	~ Garbee	(719)-590-2868	32016       W1	4.3BSD

Particular wants at this point: a SPARC site, a Cray site, an IBM/370 site,
and as many other different flavors of these newfangled RISC boxes as we can
scare up (what's that you say? a SIMD trinary-logic machine with 42-bit words
running Version 9? I want it! :-)...)
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erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) (07/10/88)

In article <dXny5#sE7hf=eric@snark.UUCP>, eric@snark.UUCP writes:
> Then we come to the oddballs. An Amdahl, a couple of Pyramids, a MIPS machine,
> an HP9000 and even a UNIVAC (excuuuse me, that's `UniSys') 1100. For beta-ing
> purposes, I love those weird machines -- and I'd like to see more of them.
> 
> So bring on your ones-complement machines, your multiprocessor boxes, your
> vectorizing supercomputers, and your crufty ancient mainframes. The more
> bizarre your machine is the better I'll like it (you still need to be a UNIX
> site, though; I'd like to port to VMS and OS/2 but those could take a while).


One serious quesiton:

Does anyone plan on doing an OS-9 port?  Several companies are starting
to pick this up, plus, the RatShack CoCo3 running Lev II OS-9 is pretty
boffo (especially for an 8bit machine).  I don't see any reason it
wouldn't be able to support news -- it's pretty damn close to Unix,
it multitasks, and you can put megs and megs of HD on it.  The 68xxx
based OS-9 boxes are great, there's just not a lot of them out there.
(best coco3 setup I've seen yet: 512K RAM, 30Mb HD, 3 floppy drives,
2Mhz 68b09e 8-bit processor.)

Oh well, just a question.

If you want, I'll port to a RatShack Model I, Level II.  :-)
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egranthm@jackson.UUCP (Ewan Grantham) (07/11/88)

In article <1080@flatline.UUCP>, erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes:
:> 
:> Does anyone plan on doing an OS-9 port?  Several companies are starting
:> to pick this up, plus, the RatShack CoCo3 running Lev II OS-9 is pretty
:> boffo (especially for an 8bit machine).  I don't see any reason it
:> wouldn't be able to support news -- it's pretty damn close to Unix,
:> it multitasks, and you can put megs and megs of HD on it. 

:> Oh well, just a question.
:> 
:> If you want, I'll port to a RatShack Model I, Level II.  :-)
:> -- 

OK, I have the same question to ask about the amiga. It multi-tasks, you can
give it megs of RAM and megs of HD, and it certainly would be nice to have
a true news feed at home instead of a mail feed of news

Anyone interested in making the port?

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eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) (07/11/88)

In article <1080@flatline.uucp>, erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes:
>Does anyone plan on doing an OS-9 port? [...]  I don't see any reason it
>wouldn't be able to support news -- it's pretty damn close to Unix,
>it multitasks, and you can put megs and megs of HD on it.

I have a friend in NYC who's been talking about doing this for over a year,
but he's no more than grade C as a C/UNIX hacker (not his fault, he's had
too little time to learn).

Translation: if you want an OS/9 port, you'll probably have to do it yourself.
Good luck, and should you be apprehended the secretary will disavow all
knowledge of your actions. This article will self-destruct in 5 seconds....
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eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) (07/12/88)

In article <278@jackson.uucp>, egranthm@jackson.UUCP (Ewan Grantham) writes:
> Anyone interested in making the [Amiga] port?

If you can port 3.0 to the Amiga I will *definitely* take those #ifdefs for the
distribution.
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erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) (07/14/88)

In article <dZ4WF#UdShi=eric@snark.UUCP>, eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
> In article <1080@flatline.uucp>, erict@flatline.UUCP (j eric townsend) writes:
> >Does anyone plan on doing an OS-9 port? [...]  I don't see any reason it
> >wouldn't be able to support news -- it's pretty damn close to Unix,
> >it multitasks, and you can put megs and megs of HD on it.

> Translation: if you want an OS/9 port, you'll probably have to do it yourself.
> Good luck, and should you be apprehended the secretary will disavow all
> knowledge of your actions. This article will self-destruct in 5 seconds....


HAHAHAHA.   Right.  Let me spend some monopoly-money on some vaporware
and I'll get right to it.  Port to OS-9 on my 3b1.  Suuuuuuurrrre.

(Actually, I'm working out what would be involved in porting OS-9
to the 3b1.  Film at 11.)




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