liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Liz Allen-Mitchell) (08/07/90)
One of our local users cross-posted an article to comp.sys.mac.apps and comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest. The latter is a moderated group and is marked so here. I don't know why, but the article wound up posted without an Approved line -- and bounced all over creation. The moderator got > 45K of such. He wrote my user who forwarded to me... The article is *not* locally posted here -- except in the digest. It is not in comp.sys.mac.apps either. Headers are: To: cornell!rutgers!comp-sys-ibm-pc-digest Path: biar!cornell!rochester!kodak!uupsi!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu\ !sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!grian!alex From: alex@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Alex Pournelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest Subject: Mac mail systems & file transport Message-ID: <1990Jul25.034342.2996@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> Date: 25 Jul 90 03:43:42 GMT Organization: Workman & Associates Lines: 42 Software here is cnews 10-Jan-1990 and nn 6.4.9. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- - Liz Allen-Mitchell liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us ames!elroy!grian!liz "God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." -- 1 John 1:5b
liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Liz Allen-Mitchell) (08/07/90)
I mucked through some old history files and found that the article cross-posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest and comp.sys.mac.apps *did* get posted locally to comp.sys.mac.apps... As far as I can tell, comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest was marked moderated at the time -- it was a few days before and a few days after the posting date. The article was also not posted locally to comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest. The line in the history file has no mention of comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest: <1990Jul25.034342.2996@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> 648877432~- comp.sys.mac.apps/830 (I wrapped it.) Unfortunately, the log files are gone. Now, the questions is: why did it go into comp.sys.mac.apps? Earlier today, I tried crossposting to two test groups -- one moderated and one not -- and the article was not posted; just mailed. -- - Liz Allen-Mitchell liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us ames!elroy!grian!liz "God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." -- 1 John 1:5b
liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Liz Allen-Mitchell) (08/08/90)
Sorry about all these postings -- this has been quite a mystery to me... More information on the crossposted article that flooded the moderator of comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest... I got the original copy of the article off a backup tape; the headers are: Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest Path: grian!alex From: alex@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Alex Pournelle) Subject: Mac mail systems & file transport Message-ID: <1990Jul25.034342.2996@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> Organization: Workman & Associates Date: Wed, 25 Jul 90 03:43:42 GMT Lines: 42 I suspect the problem is that little space in the Newsgroups header between the newsgroups names. Some clever system somewhere stripped the space out and caused the article to bounce all over creation... Does that sound right to those of you who know the software better than me? I wonder what the fix for this is! I could change my inews, but then I would cause such articles generated on other systems to bounce the same way. Perhaps inews should only mail unapproved aritcles that were not created locally? Perhaps nn could be modified to strip out the space before posting the article, too. -- - Liz Allen-Mitchell liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us ames!elroy!grian!liz "God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." -- 1 John 1:5b
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (08/08/90)
In article <1990Aug7.184503.24708@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Liz Allen-Mitchell) writes: >I suspect the problem is that little space in the Newsgroups header >between the newsgroups names... Hm. Hmmmmmmm. At some stage, this should have been either interpreted "correctly" or bounced, and as you found out, it does neither. This we will have to fix. Geoff will have to decide how. RFC1036 is completely silent on the matter. >I wonder what the fix for this is! I could change my inews, but then >I would cause such articles generated on other systems to bounce the >same way... No, under C News, inews gets run only for local articles. >Perhaps inews should only mail unapproved aritcles that >were not created locally? Um, I'm not sure what you're saying here, unless you meant to leave out that "not". We decided, after considerable head-scratching, that it was not a kindness for an incoming article (from another site) to be mailed to the moderator. Relaynews, which is what handles incoming traffic from other sites, simply discards unapproved articles in moderated groups. It is inews's responsibility to do something more intelligent with local postings to such groups. -- The 486 is to a modern CPU as a Jules | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology Verne reprint is to a modern SF novel. | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry