dave@csri.toronto.edu (Dave Sherman) (07/26/88)
I've just been informed by mnetor!lazer that mnetor was fried in the same lightning storm that got lsuc. While we've called service for lsuc, and I hope it will be up soon, Lazer tells me that mnetor is not under service contract and there is no-one around to authorize a service call for at least a week. (There is a possibility that some other machine will become mnetor, when the people who make the decisions return.) This has major implications for the Toronto area, not so much for news, as mnetor has become a leaf-ish node recently, but for mail. mnetor!uunet has been a highly reliable connection, and it carries a lot of mail traffic. People will have to find alternatives for the time being at least. I will ask Rick if he can reroute mail at uunet which is pending for mnetor!toronto-sites. David Sherman The Law Society of Upper Canada lsuc!dave (when it's up); utcsri!dave (when it's not) 416-947-3466
dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) (07/27/88)
Rick has arranged for uunet to reroute mail for mnetor through
utai, and I've arranged for lsuc to do the same, so part of
the problem is solved for now. If you generate paths through
mnetor that involve sites other than uunet and lsuc, you should
probably rerun pathalias with -d mnetor until the dust settles.
David Sherman
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{ uunet!mnetor att!utgpu pyramid!utai utzoo } !lsuc!davelyndon@ncc.Nexus.CA (Lyndon Nerenberg) (07/29/88)
In article <8807262025.AA05636@baldwin.csri.toronto.edu> dave@csri.toronto.edu (Dave Sherman) writes:
I've just been informed by mnetor!lazer that mnetor was fried
in the same lightning storm that got lsuc.
This has major implications for the Toronto area, not so much for
news, as mnetor has become a leaf-ish node recently, but for mail.
mnetor!uunet has been a highly reliable connection, and it carries
a lot of mail traffic. People will have to find alternatives for
the time being at least. I will ask Rick if he can reroute mail
at uunet which is pending for mnetor!toronto-sites.
We can pick up some of the slack until they get back on their feet.
Try one of:
alberta\
uunet!ncc!geac!...
pyramid/
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VE6BBM {alberta,pyramid,uunet}!ncc!lyndon lyndon@Nexus.CAdave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) (07/29/88)
The "mnetor" site has been repaired and is running again,
but it's also been sold and will be shut down next Thursday,
August 4. I'm told that no final decision has been made
as to whether cxhi will be renamed mnetor or will simply replace
mneotr as a connection to uunet. The status of mnetor's other
long-distance and local connections is still uncertain.
ron@mnetor will be back on Tuesday and will be able to let us know.
In the meantime, lsuc!mnetor and mnetor!uunet work, but since
this may only be for a few days I'm leaving the rerouting in place
on lsuc. (I will be on vacation for 2 weeks, starting now.)
David Sherman
The Law Society of Upper Canada
Toronto
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{ uunet!mnetor att!utgpu pyramid!utai utzoo } !lsuc!daveemv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (08/01/88)
In article <1988Jul29.154515.5525@lsuc.uucp> dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) writes: >The "mnetor" site has been repaired and is running again, >but it's also been sold and will be shut down next Thursday, when I delete mnetor from my maps, a lot of mail to Toronto yields paths through the harvard!linus!utzoo link. Since the utzoo!linus link is listed as EVENING+LOW but the linus!utzoo link is listed as DEMAND, I don't quite know whether to believe that that's really the right way for mail to travel. (Not a good summer for Toronto mail, it seems - good luck to everyone in sorting things out.) --Ed umix postmaster
emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (08/02/88)
In article <597@mailrus.cc.umich.edu> emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >In article <1988Jul29.154515.5525@lsuc.uucp> dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) writes: >>The "mnetor" site has been repaired and is running again, >>but it's also been sold and will be shut down next Thursday, > >when I delete mnetor from my maps, a lot of mail to Toronto >yields paths through the harvard!linus!utzoo link. The July 20 'harvard' map shows harvard!linus to be DEAD. With that and delete {mnetor}, the uucp route to utzoo now appears in part as follows: harvard!spdcc!linus!utzoo and the path to ontmoh is umix!uunet!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!ontmoh When I delete {linus!utzoo}, the path to utzoo changes to be uiucdcs!sq!utcsri!utzoo Carrying this on one step further, when I delete {uiucdcs!sq} the path to utzoo changes to be (in part, again) umix!uunet!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utzoo Comments are welcome. I would prefer to go with the uiucdcs!sq path to cross the border, since all of the hops in that chain look sensible. If anyone in the Toronto area is capable of running 't' protocol uucp over a TCP connection to NSFnet and is interested in making a connection, contact me and I'll approach the appropriate folks here to be sure that it has approval from our network folks (Merit Inc.) --Ed Edward Vielmetti, U of Michigan mail group
tim@dretor.DRETOR.UUCP (Tim Pointing) (08/02/88)
In article <1988Jul29.154515.5525@lsuc.uucp> dave@lsuc (David Sherman) writes: >In the meantime, lsuc!mnetor and mnetor!uunet work, but since >this may only be for a few days I'm leaving the rerouting in place >on lsuc. Re-routing around mnetor has been in effect since I found out about the problem on Jul 28. Mail which explicitly routes mail through "dciem!mnetor" will not have their mail rerouted (until such time as I find out what is will happen to mnetor.) Mail which makes use of smail's routing capability will find their mail not going through mnetor (utcsri!utai!uunet is now our best route to uunet) -- Tim Pointing, DCIEM {decvax|ihnp4|watmath}!utzoo!dciem!dretor!tim or uunet!mnetor!dciem!dretor!tim or tim%dretor@zorac.arpa
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (08/03/88)
In article <597@mailrus.cc.umich.edu> emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >when I delete mnetor from my maps, a lot of mail to Toronto >yields paths through the harvard!linus!utzoo link. Argh. No! I would greatly appreciate it if everyone would delete that link from their databases, or at least reduce its listed quality. The utzoo-linus link has been very troublesome and intermittent for the last couple of months; DO NOT USE IT. -- MSDOS is not dead, it just | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology smells that way. | uunet!mnetor!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (08/03/88)
In article <599@mailrus.cc.umich.edu> emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: > harvard!spdcc!linus!utzoo As I've said in a previous posting, I would appreciate it if everybody would avoid linus!utzoo; that link is unreliable. >When I delete {linus!utzoo}, the path to utzoo changes to be > uiucdcs!sq!utcsri!utzoo This is probably not a great idea. I doubt that SoftQuad really wants to be the Toronto-area mail relay site. >Carrying this on one step further, when I delete {uiucdcs!sq} >the path to utzoo changes to be (in part, again) > umix!uunet!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utzoo That is rather more reasonable. -- MSDOS is not dead, it just | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology smells that way. | uunet!mnetor!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (08/03/88)
In article <1988Aug2.173938.18461@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <599@mailrus.cc.umich.edu> emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >> harvard!spdcc!linus!utzoo >As I've said in a previous posting, I would appreciate it if everybody would >avoid linus!utzoo; that link is unreliable. Aug 3 12:02:03 mailrus nntpd[21934]: 35.193.240.11 disconnect: Broken pipe I added the line delete {linus!utzoo} to my local paths/goofy file. >>When I delete {linus!utzoo}, the path to utzoo changes to be >> uiucdcs!sq!utcsri!utzoo >This is probably not a great idea. I doubt that SoftQuad really wants to >be the Toronto-area mail relay site. I added the lines delete {uiucdcs!sq} uiucdcs <sq>(HOURLY), sq(DEAD) to prevent sq from being a general-purpose relay. >>Carrying this on one step further, when I delete {uiucdcs!sq} >>the path to utzoo changes to be (in part, again) >> umix!uunet!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utzoo >That is rather more reasonable. And that's how it stands now. I also added the lines lsuc <mnetor>(DAILY) dciem <mnetor>(DAILY) to ensure a route of some sort to mnetor. The only two hosts that look to be stranded are cxintg and motto; since they're both Motorola sites, I guess that I don't care that their paths run through mnetor. >-- >MSDOS is not dead, it just | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology >smells that way. | uunet!mnetor!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu time for a new .sig, I guess. --Ed Edward Vielmetti, U of Michigan mail group
bill@ssbn.WLK.COM (Bill Kennedy) (08/04/88)
Come on Henry, is it or isn't it dead, and can we or can we not route that way? Inquiring minds want to know because if linus isn't a good way and you still have mnetor in your .signature, how are the rest of us to know? In article <1988Aug2.173701.18410@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <597@mailrus.cc.umich.edu> emv@mailrus.cc.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >>when I delete mnetor from my maps, a lot of mail to Toronto >>yields paths through the harvard!linus!utzoo link. > >Argh. No! I would greatly appreciate it if everyone would delete that >link from their databases, or at least reduce its listed quality. The >utzoo-linus link has been very troublesome and intermittent for the last >couple of months; DO NOT USE IT. >-- >MSDOS is not dead, it just | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology >smells that way. | uunet!mnetor!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ^^^^^^ How about a watmath suggestion? Don't they talk to uunet too? Why not get the map coordinator to put some appropriate values in so that we avoid linus. Don't tell us *not* to use something unless you suggest an alternative. Sorry, I'm frustrated too. I never realized how much work mnetor did until most of my Canadian communications groaned to a halt. -- Bill Kennedy usenet {killer,att,rutgers,sun!daver,uunet!bigtex}!ssbn!bill internet bill@ssbn.WLK.COM
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (08/06/88)
In article <209@ssbn.WLK.COM> bill@ssbn.UUCP (Bill Kennedy) writes: >Come on Henry, is it or isn't it dead, and can we or can we not route that way? Mnetor is up again -- or at least something calling itself mnetor is talking to utzoo -- but how long it will stay that way I do not know. I have had no official communication from the mnetor folks about it. -- MSDOS is not dead, it just | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology smells that way. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
ron@mnetor.UUCP (Ron Miller) (08/06/88)
In article <1988Jul29.154515.5525@lsuc.uucp>, dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) writes: > The "mnetor" site has been repaired and is running again, > but it's also been sold and will be shut down next Thursday, > August 4. I'm told that no final decision has been made > as to whether cxhi will be renamed mnetor or will simply replace > mnetor as a connection to uunet. The Pyramid 90X which you have come to know as mnetor will actually be shut down for good and dismantled Monday, August 8. If all goes well, the box currently known as cxhi will become the new mnetor. With luck, the 3.5 megs of news/mail still in our queues will not be lost, and mnetor will act much as before, only slower (and perhaps dumber :-). One way or another, I'll report more details on Monday. -- Ron Miller UUCP: {decvax|allegra|ihnp4|linus|utcsri}!utzoo!mnetor!ron ARPA: ron%mnetor.uucp@uunet.uu.net BELL: +1 416 475 8980 ext. 313