ugptucha@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ray Ptucha) (11/02/88)
I'm not sure if this is the correct newsgroup for this, but...
Does anyone have a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary that
I could ftp? I really have wanted one online for quite a
while now- so any help would be much grateful.
Thanks.
---Ray
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In article <2348@cs.Buffalo.EDU>, ugptucha@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ray Ptucha) writes: > > I'm not sure if this is the correct newsgroup for this, but... > Does anyone have a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary that > I could ftp? Good Grief! Do you have any idea how *L*A*R*G*E* the OED is?!? You're talking 20 _very_ large books!!! Optical disks, anyone? :-) :-) -- UUCP: ...!{rutgers|ames|uunet}!mimsy!aplcen!wb3ffv!fallst!tkevans INTERNET: fallst!tkevans@wb3ffv.ampr.org OTHER: ...!attmail!fallst!tkevans Tim Evans 2201 Brookhaven Court, Fallston, MD 21047 (301) 965-3286
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (11/08/88)
In article <2348@cs.Buffalo.EDU> ugptucha@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ray Ptucha) writes: >Does anyone have a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary that >I could ftp? I really have wanted one online for quite a >while now... Uh, you realize that it's 400+ megabytes? I very much doubt that anyone can make it available for FTP without violating the copyright, and the copyright owners would probably take this seriously, given that they plan a new edition and are still selling the old one. -- The Earth is our mother. | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology Our nine months are up. |uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
rezac@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (11/09/88)
In article <471@fallst.UUCP>, tkevans@fallst.UUCP (Tim Evans) writes: > In article <2348@cs.Buffalo.EDU>, ugptucha@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ray Ptucha) writes: >> >> I'm not sure if this is the correct newsgroup for this, but... >> Does anyone have a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary that >> I could ftp? > > Good Grief! Do you have any idea how *L*A*R*G*E* the OED is?!? You're > talking 20 _very_ large books!!! > > Optical disks, anyone? :-) :-) -- Additionally, the OED is, I'm sure, not public domain (or even shareware for that matter). Disclaimer: It's mine, all mine. -- Daffy Duck *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* CHARLES REZAC * bitnet: REZAC@UKANVAX internet: rezac@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu 913/864-0472 * KWOOC=word processor formats,CAT scans,FOCUS,PROFS,TSRs *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
casey@well.UUCP (Kathleen Creighton) (11/09/88)
OED *is* available on CD-ROM, but I don't remember the particulars.
hwt@bnr-public.uucp (Henry Troup) (11/10/88)
In article <1236@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> rezac@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >-- >Additionally, the OED is, I'm sure, not public domain (or even shareware for >that matter). > I remember recently reading a review of a commercial product that is the OED - but only the OED, not the supplements. The OED itself is quite old, having been published before 1950. Given the state of copyright law at that time, I think it has fallen into the public domain. The New OED is in preparation at Waterloo. Anyone there have any facts? Henry Troup utgpu!bnr-vpa!bnr-fos!hwt%bnr-public | BNR is not Bell-Northern Reseach hwt@bnr (BITNET/NETNORTH) | responsible for Ottawa, Canada (613) 765-2337 (Voice) | my opinions
jyegiguere@lotus.waterloo.edu (Eric Giguere) (11/11/88)
In article <173@bnr-fos.UUCP> hwt@bnr-public.UUCP (Henry Troup) writes: >In article <1236@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> rezac@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >>-- >>Additionally, the OED is, I'm sure, not public domain (or even shareware for >>that matter). >> > >I remember recently reading a review of a commercial product that is >the OED - but only the OED, not the supplements. The OED itself is >quite old, having been published before 1950. Given the state of >copyright law at that time, I think it has fallen into the public >domain. > >The New OED is in preparation at Waterloo. Anyone there have any facts? There seems to be a lot of confusion surrounding the OED and the New OED. Let me try to clear a few things up. First, a disclaimer: I am not associated with either Oxford University Press (OUP) or the UW Centre for the New OED (UWCNOED). I did however attend the recent "Information in Text" conference jointly sponsored by OUP and UWCNOED. The information I present here is derived from that conference. First some background: OUP approached several institutions with regard to modernizing the OED. They hired a company to type in the complete OED (the original 12 volumes plus the four-volume Supplement). The University of Waterloo won the contract to create the software and organize the data. Work has been in progress since 1984 and is almost complete. An important thing to realize is that OUP owns the copyright to the complete text of both the old and new versions of the OED. UW owns rights to the software it developed, but not the text. Currently only researchers at UW and a few selected universities are allowed access to the text of the OED in computerized form, and only for limited research purposes. So, no, it is not possible to "ftp" the OED, and never will be. The computerization of the OED has led to the preparation of the "New" or "Second" edition. The original OED has been merged with the Supplement and about 5000 or so new entries added. A lot of revision has been done. The Second Edition will be printed in twenty (20!) volumes in the style of the Supplement. It should be available at the end of March, 1989, for something like US$2000 or 1500 pounds sterling. There are also plans to bring out a CD-ROM version of the Second Edition in 1990 or 1991. A CD-ROM version of the first edition seems to have been available at one time, but I don't know its status right now. Hope this clears up some of the confusion. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Giguere 268 Phillip St. #CL-46, Waterloo, Ont. N2L 6G9 jyegiguere@lotus.waterloo.edu (519) 746-0792 GIGUERE@WATCSG.BITNET "No, that's not how you pronounce it..."
tbray@watsol.waterloo.edu (Tim Bray) (11/14/88)
In article <2348@cs.Buffalo.EDU>, ugptucha@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ray Ptucha) writes: > > I'm not sure if this is the correct newsgroup for this, but... > Does anyone have a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary that > I could ftp? And there have been various responses; thought I should fill people in. There are 3 things you might be referring to when you say 'OED': 1. The original 12 volume OED, finished in 1928. 2. The 4-volume Supplement, finished in 1986. 3. The 20-volume Second Edition, to be published March 1989, incorporating #1, #2, and lots of new material. Here are #1 and #2: -r--r----- 1 ghgonnet 400989181 May 21 08:39 OED -r--r----- 1 tbray 128709256 May 27 08:45 S Quite large as you can see. They are regarded by Oxford University Press as highly proprietary, and OUP is going to want money in exchange for their use. There is one exception to this; if you are a bona fide scholar or researcher whose work might make valuable use of the OED, you can come use this info here at Waterloo; we have tools to help make sense of it, and even a certain amount of money available to support such visitors. You can buy #1 in the list above right now, on a CD-ROM, from OUP, at a price a little over $1K last time I checked. The software that comes with it is nice, user-friendly, but not really suitable for the kind of serious research that the OED can support. Contact the nearest OUP office for info (they're in NY, LA, and Toronto that I know of, and probably elsewhere). The OED is a wonderful book, and indeed, everyone should have a cheap electronic version handy. That's one of the things we're working on. Tim Bray Manager, New Oxford English Dictionary Project University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ont.
morrell@hpsal2.HP.COM (Michael Morrell) (11/16/88)
/ hpsal2:comp.text / jyegiguere@lotus.waterloo.edu (Eric Giguere) / 7:54 am Nov 11, 1988 / The Second Edition will be printed in twenty (20!) volumes in the style of the Supplement. It should be available at the end of March, 1989, for something like US$2000 or 1500 pounds sterling. ---------- Does anyone know of any plans to print a "reduced" version of the Second Edition (similar to the currently available two-volume version of the First Edition plus Supplements)?