buyskes@lafcol.UUCP (Steven Buyske) (02/14/90)
Since owners of the Adobe Type Manager for the Mac will apparently soon be getting a special offer of one Adobe typeface for a cheap price, I thought now might be a good time to start a discussion of which is your favorite typeface. I'd like to suggest owners of one of the Adobe typefaces beyond the LW+ set post a note about what they like about it and why, and what they use it for. I think we should pay particular attention to how they look at 300dpi resolution. To start things off, I write a lot of mathematics. For a text face people have recommended New Baskerville and Lucida. Any recommendations? Garamond is also trendy, but is rumored to lose its flavor at 300dpi. Any experience out there? Steve Buyske uucp : rutgers!lehi3b15!lafcol!buyskes Mathematics Department Bitnet : BUYSKES@LAFAYETT Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042
gwangung@milton.acs.washington.edu (Roger Tang) (02/15/90)
It depends on what you want to use the typeface for. Display vs text; do you want to pick up a specialty font? Are you doing it for text/scientific/technical? Etc., etc. Also, Jim Seymour's comment is pertinent; if you're serious about fonts and desktop publishing, onesies and twosies fonts (i.e., just one set of fonts) aren't too hot. You should really think about extending your selection to beyond one set; e.g., add Helvetica 35 or Helvetica Extra Black to what you already have to create some diversity. That said, let me say I kinda like the Goudy family (Goudy Old Style, etc.) for serifed type, to give it a different, distinguished look to some of my texts......
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (02/15/90)
buyskes@lafcol.UUCP (Steven Buyske) writes: >I'd like to suggest owners of one of >the Adobe typefaces beyond the LW+ set post a note about what they like >about it and why, and what they use it for. I think we should pay >particular attention to how they look at 300dpi resolution. >For a text >face people have recommended New Baskerville and Lucida. Any >recommendations? Garamond is also trendy, but is rumored to lose its >flavor at 300dpi. Any experience out there? Typefaces are fun. (speaking of cheap typefaces, anyone else notice that Adobe is going to be bundling a bunch of their display faces into new, lower-cost packages? Fun stuff). I use two text faces a lot: ITC Garamond and ITC Galliard. Garamond is a really nice, distinctive font. It's best on a high resolution imagesetter, but I don't think it really loses anything at 300dpi at 12 points or more. If you need to put a lot of text into a relatively small area, it's compact without being unreadable. I use Garamond at 10pt a lot, which isn't really fair to the typeface, but I think even at that size, while it loses some of it's appeal, it's still an improvement over Times Roman. Other pluses for garamond: it's got a very strong boldface that shows up and doesn't wash out under Xerography. It's italic is acceptable, even in relatively large chunks. Galliard Roman is another nice text face. I think it's a better face at 10pt than Garamond, but it's got a much weaker bold face that essentially disappears under Xerography (on the other hand, I switched over to using small caps instead of bold, which is one less face to download and I think is a reasonable alternative). The italic is, frankly, really ugly at 300dpi and is unreadable at smaller than 12pt for more than a word or two. I've got an occaisonal block of italic in OtherRealms that I had to move to 12pt just to make it minimally readable. If you make heavy use of bold or italic, Galliard's probably not a great choice. For display faces, I've used a lot of Univers (and condensed Univers). I find it just different enough from Helvetica to be distinctive without calling attention to itself, but it's still a good, solid san serif. I'm currently using some Benguiat as well and I like it as a headline face better than Univers for things that don't need to be quite as formal. I've tried Friz Quadrata, and it was okay, but I prefer Benguiat. I find that neither Futura or Optima (sigh) work well at all at 300dpi. At that resolution, they're only distant cousins of the typefaces I want to work with. Optima's subtleties just defeat a laser printer. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] Rumour has it that Larry Wall, author of RN, is a finalist in the race for the Nobel Peace Prize for his invention of the kill file.
gcrum@koh-sun2.usc.edu (Gary Crum) (02/15/90)
What is the typeface that Apple uses for manuals, advertisements and labels?
hammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) (02/15/90)
While we're on the subject of typefaces, are there any good Postscript monospace fonts out there besides Courier? I guess Courier is all right, but I really don't like the way it looks. Does anyone know any fonts that are put out that look better than courier and are still suitable for programming, et al?
dezern@uncecs.edu (David H. Dezern) (02/17/90)
Century Old Style is a beuatiful typeface, and I've used it for mathematical text. Its appearance reminds me of German mathematical books of the '20's and '30's. Unfortunately, the LaserWriter doesn't do such a good job reproducing it. While we're on the subject of typefaces, let me mention that I've tried the Century Schoolbook typeface that Bitstream offered as a special promotion a couple of months ago. I like it better than Adobe's New Century Schoolbook, and it produces very nice LaserWriter output for regular text, but it interacts very badly with some of the special features of Microsoft Word, like the formatting of quotients. I get the impression that there's something peculiar about the Bitstream font's fractional widths table. Has anyone else noticed problems like this? David H. Dezern Department of Mathematics University of North Carolina at Asheville e-mail: dezern@uncecs.edu or dezern@ecsvax.bitnet
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (02/18/90)
hammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) writes: >While we're on the subject of typefaces, are there any good Postscript >monospace fonts out there besides Courier? How about American Typewriter? (Adobe package 10) Or Prestige Elite? (Adobe package 28) Or, if you're twisted, ITC Machine? (also package 10) I also think Orator (Adobe #29) is monospace and might be a different font to use. I'd probably go with Prestige Elite, personally. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] Rumour has it that Larry Wall, author of RN, is a finalist in the race for the Nobel Peace Prize for his invention of the kill file.
newbery@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Newbery) (02/19/90)
Ah, GOTCHA warning... American Typewriter ain't monospaced! It is a very nice font that looks like typewriter output, but in fact it has variable spacing. MACHINE isn't monospaced either, and only comes in UPPER CASE to boot (from memory). OCR B or Prestige Elite look like the only choices from Adobe. I'd go for OCR B myself. Disclaimer: I've been know to be wrong before... -- Michael Newbery<newbery@rata.vuw.ac.nz> (...!uunet!vuwcomp!newbery if you must) It's so hard to know if you're bound for a fall; But better to have tripped than never danced at all. The Albion Band
dpaight@weber.ucsd.edu (Dan Paight) (02/19/90)
In article <1990Feb18.205019.10239@kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz> newbery@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Newbery) writes: >boot (from memory). OCR B or Prestige Elite look like the only choices >from Adobe. I'd go for OCR B myself. > >Disclaimer: I've been know to be wrong before... > >-- Add one more time. Letter Gothic is monospaced. At least I think it is. Hell, I've been known to be wrong too (just don't tell anyone).
david@wiley.UUCP (David Hull) (02/19/90)
>hammersslammers1@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) writes: >While we're on the subject of typefaces, are there any good Postscript >monospace fonts out there besides Courier? chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: >How about American Typewriter? (Adobe package 10) Or Prestige Elite? (Adobe >package 28) Or, if you're twisted, ITC Machine? (also package 10) I also >think Orator (Adobe #29) is monospace and might be a different font to use. >I'd probably go with Prestige Elite, personally. American Typewriter is NOT monospace. Neither is ITC Machine. Orator and Prestige Elite are, though. Some monospace fonts that Chuq didn't mention are Letter Gothic (Adobe #27), and OCR-A and OCR-B (Adobe #58). -David
bob@nstar.UUCP (bob hoquim) (03/06/90)
dpaight@weber.ucsd.edu (Dan Paight) writes: > In article <1990Feb18.205019.10239@kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz> newbery@rata.vuw.ac > >boot (from memory). OCR B or Prestige Elite look like the only choices > >from Adobe. I'd go for OCR B myself. > > > >Disclaimer: I've been know to be wrong before... > > > >-- > > Add one more time. Letter Gothic is monospaced. At least I think it > is. Hell, I've been known to be wrong too (just don't tell anyone).