allbery@ncoast.UUCP (01/01/70)
As quoted from <14329@topaz.rutgers.edu> by ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie): +--------------- | Foo. Personal computers have VM. Most PC OS's don't use the VM that they | have which is what the problem is. Even the 286 has the VM capability. | ... | Buy a 386. +--------------- The !@#$%&* bank won't approve me for a loan for a "fire sale" 3B1, and you want me to buy a 386 box for $5000 or so???! (No, I _don't_ have an AT, so an Intel 386 motherboard isn't an option.) Son, not everyone can afford to buy a GoshWhizBang 9000. So we can't run GNU. That's the long and the short of it, and political/religious discussions won't have any effect on it. (sigh) -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <<ncoast Public Access UNIX: +1 216 781 6201 24hrs. 300/1200/2400 baud>> ** Site "cwruecmp" has changed its name to "mandrill". Please re-address ** *** all mail to ncoast to pass through "mandrill" instead of "cwruecmp". ***
ron@topaz.rutgers.edu.UUCP (08/31/87)
Foo. Personal computers have VM. Most PC OS's don't use the VM that they have which is what the problem is. Even the 286 has the VM capability. If RMS doesn't want to port GNU to any random architecture, so what? RMS didn't move EMACS to any of the zillion of wierd things that it is running on now (He doesn't even have a CRAY). The whole fiasco started when someone pointed out that there was one header file that used a integral type where a pointer was called for which a EMACS porter found. He posted these changes eliciting a snide comment about the architecture. Frankly, given sufficient memory I see no reason why GNU tools (perhaps not without effort) can't be ported to an AT. The C compiler was probably the hardest part. Buy a 386.
rbj@icst-cmr.arpa (Root Boy Jim) (09/14/87)
The !@#$%&* bank won't approve me for a loan for a "fire sale" 3B1, and you
want me to buy a 386 box for $5000 or so???! (No, I _don't_ have an AT, so
an Intel 386 motherboard isn't an option.)
Son, not everyone can afford to buy a GoshWhizBang 9000. So we can't run
GNU. That's the long and the short of it, and
political/religious discussions won't have any effect on it. (sigh)
What I have never understood is why people spend real money on toy
computers when they can play on real ones at work. Buy a terminal
and a modem for home use.
Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc
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I am covered with pure vegetable oil and I am writing a best seller!rjd@tiger.UUCP (09/16/87)
> The !@#$%&* bank won't approve me for a loan for a "fire sale" 3B1, and you > want me to buy a 386 box for $5000 or so???! (No, I _don't_ have an AT, so > an Intel 386 motherboard isn't an option.) > > Son, not everyone can afford to buy a GoshWhizBang 9000. So we can't run > GNU. That's the long and the short of it, and > political/religious discussions won't have any effect on it. (sigh) > > What I have never understood is why people spend real money on toy > computers when they can play on real ones at work. Buy a terminal > and a modem for home use. Well, I have a possible reason, but it is exactly what you said; a toy. I, personally, do not own a home computer because I have been loaned a terminal with modem by my employer (AT&T) which enables them to get a great deal of work out of me that I do not bother to charge them for, being the dedicated person that I am (I really am more than half serious about this). But, the other day, I saw an Amiga doing some graphics. Now, THAT is something I would ALMOST go out and pay good money for: because I have always loved to work in graphics, and, sorry, 1200 baud on a DMD is not quite the same.... Once I get some extra money, I might start seriously start looking for a good graphics system with a lot of game packages. You are right, the work can be done on the work computers!!! (But the fun stuff can be had on the toys... And I am not saying that an Amiga is a toy, as I have no idea, it is just what I would be using it as if I had one.) Randy
sanders@convex.UUCP (09/16/87)
/* Written 6:09 pm Sep 14, 1987 by aglew%xenurus@gswd-vms.Gould.COM in convex:comp.unix.wizards */ What I have never understood is why people spend their employer's money playing at work when they could have a real computer at home. ------------- I have a real computer at work. (many in fact) I prefer to "play" at work, thank you very much. sanders
jay@splut.UUCP (Jay Maynard) (09/19/87)
In article <9279@brl-adm.ARPA>, rbj@icst-cmr.arpa writes: > What I have never understood is why people spend real money on toy > computers when they can play on real ones at work. Buy a terminal > and a modem for home use. Not everyone's real computer runs Unix...If you could get netnews running on an MVS system under TSO, I'd consider it. Until then, I get to do this on my "toy" PC/AT clone at home. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC (@WB5BBW)...>splut!< | uucp: hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!splut!jay Never ascribe to malice that which can | or sun!housun!nuchat!--^ be adequately explained by stupidity. | GEnie: JAYMAYNARD CI$: 71036,1603 The opinions herein are shared by neither of my cats, much less anyone else.
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (09/19/87)
As quoted from <9279@brl-adm.ARPA> by rbj@icst-cmr.arpa (Root Boy Jim): +--------------- | Son, not everyone can afford to buy a GoshWhizBang 9000. So we can't run | GNU. That's the long and the short of it, and | political/religious discussions won't have any effect on it. (sigh) | | What I have never understood is why people spend real money on toy | computers when they can play on real ones at work. Buy a terminal | and a modem for home use. +--------------- Sigh. Please look at the Organization: line -- I don't *use* the computer at work for this!!! 2400 baud and sharing limited cycles with many other users playing around on slow old ncoast just doesn't do it. Eh? (The computer at work is currently an Altos 986, and doesn't have a modem. And Minix is faster than it is. [The 386 is at a client's site.]) -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <<ncoast Public Access UNIX: +1 216 781 6201 24hrs. 300/1200/2400 baud>> All opinions in this message are random characters produced when my cat jumped (-: up onto the keyboard of my PC. :-)
rich@oxtrap.UUCP (09/19/87)
In article <9279@brl-adm.ARPA> rbj@icst-cmr.arpa (Root Boy Jim) writes: >What I have never understood is why people spend real money on toy >computers when they can play on real ones at work. Buy a terminal >and a modem for home use. How about, uucp speaks 2400 baud faster than I do and work is a zone call. (local-by-the-minute for those not familier with mich bell).
elg@usl.UUCP (09/19/87)
in article <9279@brl-adm.ARPA>, rbj@icst-cmr.arpa says: > The !@#$%&* bank won't approve me for a loan for a "fire sale" 3B1, and you > want me to buy a 386 box for $5000 or so???! (No, I _don't_ have an AT, so > an Intel 386 motherboard isn't an option.) So buy a clone with a 386 motherboard. I've seen 386 clones down to $2400 or less in the pages of Computer Shopper, using the Intel motherboard. If I was a gainfully employed person, I'd have no trouble getting one (alas, I'm so stereotypical "poor college student" that it's pathetic). Oops, I forgot, you work for government, so you must not be gainfully employed :-). -- Eric Green elg@usl.CSNET day is done, the song is over, {akgua,killer}!usl!elg thought I'd something more to say.... P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509 -- Eric Green {ihnp4,cbosgd}!killer!elg {ut-sally,killer}!usl!elg elg@usl.CSNET
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (09/26/87)
As quoted from <166@usl> by elg@usl (Eric Lee Green): +--------------- | in article <9279@brl-adm.ARPA>, rbj@icst-cmr.arpa says: +---------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ????! uh, hey guys, the quote below is MINE... and I ain't noway "rbj@icst-cmr.arpa"! Who's the sloppy attribution editor??? +--------------- | > The !@#$%&* bank won't approve me for a loan for a "fire sale" 3B1, and you | > want me to buy a 386 box for $5000 or so???! (No, I _don't_ have an AT, so | > an Intel 386 motherboard isn't an option.) | | So buy a clone with a 386 motherboard. I've seen 386 clones down to | $2400 or less in the pages of Computer Shopper, using the Intel | motherboard. If I was a gainfully employed person, I'd have no trouble | getting one (alas, I'm so stereotypical "poor college student" that | it's pathetic). Oops, I forgot, you work for government, so you must | not be gainfully employed :-). +--------------- Given the misattribution above, I will assume you really didn't mean to aim that at me. But I *am* gainfully employed, as a programmer trying to save the *sses of small computer users. (The bank doesn't agree ;-( but I found another financial institution which was willing to grant me the loan, so I now have my 3B. Since it comes with UN*X and the clones come with MessDos, I'm ahead.) -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <<ncoast Public Access UNIX: +1 216 781 6201 24hrs. 300/1200/2400 baud>> "Mummy, what's an opinion?"