peter@ficc.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (08/17/88)
In article <8344@smoke.ARPA>, gwyn@smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) writes: > In fact the Bell Labs "research" > version of UNIX has suffered far less from feeping creaturism > than the commercial products (4.nBSD & System V). Any way of dragging research UNIX out of AT&T? It's not doing us much good in there. > There is one in > the works called "Plan 9" that embodies some good concepts.. Plan 9 from AT&T? Wasn't that a sci-fi movie? -- Peter da Silva, Ferranti International Controls Corporation, sugar!ficc!peter. "You made a TIME MACHINE out of a VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE?" "Well, I couldn't afford another deLorean." "But how do you ever get it up to 88 miles per hour????"
gwyn@smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) (08/19/88)
In article <1271@ficc.UUCP> peter@ficc.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: >Any way of dragging research UNIX out of AT&T? It's not doing us >much good in there. A few selected universities have it (at least one in NJ and one in Oz). I think you would have to persuade Bell Labs that you have something to contribute before they would seriously consider letting you have a copy. So long as we get to hear about the results of the research done inside, I would disagree that it's not doing us much good. Also, several research UNIX features have made it into recent releases of the commercial product, in one form or another.
reggie@pdn.UUCP (George W. Leach) (08/19/88)
In article <8356@smoke.ARPA> gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn (VLD/VMB) <gwyn>) writes: >In article <1271@ficc.UUCP> peter@ficc.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: >>Any way of dragging research UNIX out of AT&T? It's not doing us >>much good in there. >A few selected universities have it (at least one in NJ and one in Oz). >I think you would have to persuade Bell Labs that you have something to >contribute before they would seriously consider letting you have a copy. At one time I was an adjunct at the New Jersey Institute of Technology and was asked by some folks there about possibly obtaining v8. It is true that you will have to make a case for obtaining it. In addition, the system administration task requires nearly super human efforts. Several groups within Bellcore also have it due to grandfather clauses in the Divestiture Agreements. I know that Brian Redman utilizes it in his research efforts. I was involved in the development of a network planning tool that we originally began our development under v8 due to the supporting facilites. However, for the release of the product we ported to Pyramid, CCI and DEC machines. There were few problems due to the fact that all these machines were mostly BSD-based. I am sure that at least one VAX 11/750 must still be running v8 in my old lab, but they were not able to obtain current release of Ingres for that environment, so it's utility for development was limited. >So long as we get to hear about the results of the research done inside, >I would disagree that it's not doing us much good. True, but it also wets our appetite :-) >Also, several research UNIX features have made it into recent releases >of the commercial product, in one form or another. Unfortunately, they have to pass through the product groups first. -- George W. Leach Paradyne Corporation ..!uunet!pdn!reggie Mail stop LF-207 Phone: (813) 530-2376 P.O. Box 2826 Largo, FL 34649-2826
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (08/20/88)
In article <1271@ficc.UUCP> peter@ficc.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: >Any way of dragging research UNIX out of AT&T? It's not doing us >much good in there. What?!? You dare to suggest that it could somehow be better than System V?!? Heresy!!! :-) :-) More seriously, the System V people have put a lot of effort into their One Standard Unix campaign, and the last thing they want is competition from within AT&T itself. There has been a little bit of distribution of research Unix to selected universities, but it seems unlikely that there will be any more general release. Ideas, and bits and pieces of software from it, will filter over into System V (sometimes in radically-mutated forms, as witness DMR streams vs. System V Streams), but that's about it. -- Intel CPUs are not defective, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology they just act that way. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu