rja@edison.GE.COM (rja) (10/10/88)
In article <316@tarkus.UUCP>, jcs@tarkus.UUCP (John C. Sucilla) writes: > Yea, same question here. I recently started using a Sun at work and fell > in love with the job control stuff. It would be a pretty dumb decision > not to include it. The version of ksh for UNIX System V, release 3.0 for the AT&T 3B2 I used to use (when working for DoD) had Berkeley-style job control. The supplied ksh manual indicated that support for Berkeley-style job control was optional. Since V.3.0 appears to support it, I would expect V.4.0 to also support it. I miss ksh a lot and wish we had it on this 4.x BSD system (edison). ______________________________________________________________________________ rja@edison.GE.COM or ...uunet!virginia!edison!rja via Internet (preferable) via uucp (if you must) ______________________________________________________________________________ UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories.
kramer@bionette.CS.ORST.EDU (Jack Kramer - CMBL) (10/12/88)
In article <1672@edison.GE.COM> rja@edison.GE.COM (rja) writes: > >The version of ksh for UNIX System V, release 3.0 for the AT&T 3B2 >I used to use (when working for DoD) had Berkeley-style job control. >The supplied ksh manual indicated that support for Berkeley-style >job control was optional. Since V.3.0 appears to support it, >I would expect V.4.0 to also support it. I miss ksh a lot and wish >we had it on this 4.x BSD system (edison). > I called AT&T's 800 software support number to find out about getting ksh for our 3B2's. They said that I couldn't buy it from AT&T but that their were public domain versions available. Does anyone know where to get these? After using the ksh I really dislike going back to any of the older shells.
dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) (10/12/88)
In article <6861@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> kramer@bionette.UUCP (Jack Kramer - CMBL) writes: >I called AT&T's 800 software support number to find out about >getting ksh for our 3B2's. They said that I couldn't buy it from >AT&T but that their were public domain versions available. This would have been a good application of the "picturephone" that was once talked about but never much used. Had you been using one you would no doubt have seen a smiley face. :-) -- Rahul Dhesi UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!dhesi
ekrell@hector.UUCP (Eduardo Krell) (10/12/88)
In article <1672@edison.GE.COM> rja@edison.GE.COM (rja) writes: >The version of ksh for UNIX System V, release 3.0 for the AT&T 3B2 >I used to use (when working for DoD) had Berkeley-style job control. Since SVR3 doesn't have support for job control in the kernel, ksh doesn't include the job control code when you compile it on a vanilla SVR3. If your SVR3 had real job control support (not the shl stuff), it wasn't plain SVR3. Eduardo Krell AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ UUCP: {att,decvax,ucbvax}!ulysses!ekrell Internet: ekrell@ulysses.att.com
hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) (10/12/88)
>I called AT&T's 800 software support number to find out about >getting ksh for our 3B2's. They said that I couldn't buy it from >AT&T but that their were public domain versions available. Does You should be able to get ksh from the ATT Toolchest. There is a charge, but not a lot. (I don't know anything about how to contact the toolchest. However the support people or your ATT salesperson should know that. The toolchest is an arrangement where you issue a blanket P.O., and then request individual pieces of software which you download via UUCP and get billed for. It's for "minor" pieces of software that they want to make readily available, don't want to bother selling as products in the conventional way, but want to preserve control over.) As far as I know, no version of ksh is public domain. Of course if ATT is prepared to say in writing that they have made it public domain, I'm sure someone would be happy to post the source.
hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) (10/13/88)
>a vanilla SVR3. If your SVR3 had real job control support (not the >shl stuff), it wasn't plain SVR3. That or somebody had put up a ksh with my patches in it. ksh-i does have code to provide job control based on sxt's. With a few fixups it works fairly well. Most users wouldn't be able to see any difference between it and Berkeley job control, though there are.
ark@alice.UUCP (Andrew Koenig) (10/13/88)
In article <6861@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> kramer@bionette.UUCP (Jack Kramer - CMBL) writes: >I called AT&T's 800 software support number to find out about >getting ksh for our 3B2's. They said that I couldn't buy it from >AT&T but that their were public domain versions available. Whoever you talked to is mistaken. There is no public domain version of ksh. AT&T does sell it, through the ``UNIX System Toolchest.'' For more information about the Toolchest, call (201) 522-6900 with your 1200-baud terminal and log in as `guest' (no password). -- --Andrew Koenig ark@europa.att.com
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (10/13/88)
In article <Oct.12.12.18.27.1988.10050@athos.rutgers.edu>, hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes: > You should be able to get ksh from the ATT Toolchest. There is a > charge, but not a lot. $3,000 is rather a lot of money for a product with no support. Particularly since the delivered version doesn't compile under Xenix-286 3.5 without modifications. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Ferranti International Controls Corporation. "Have you hugged U your wolf today?" peter@ficc.uu.net
gerard@tscs.UUCP (Stephen M. Gerard) (10/24/88)
In article <Oct.12.12.18.27.1988.10050@athos.rutgers.edu> hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes: >>I called AT&T's 800 software support number to find out about >>getting ksh for our 3B2's. They said that I couldn't buy it from >>AT&T but that their were public domain versions available. Does > >You should be able to get ksh from the ATT Toolchest. There is a >charge, but not a lot. Last time I looked on the toolchest it was ONLY $3,000.00. About 2,800 reasons why I could not buy it. To me, $3k is A LOT of money. And to think, I have customers who complain about a price of $100.00 for a piece of software. I'd hate to be trying to sell them a $65K+ UNIX source license. :-)
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn ) (10/25/88)
In article <211@tscs.UUCP> gerard@tscs.UUCP (Stephen M. Gerard) writes: >>You should be able to get ksh from the ATT Toolchest. There is a >>charge, but not a lot. >Last time I looked on the toolchest it was ONLY $3,000.00. About >2,800 reasons why I could not buy it. To me, $3k is A LOT of money. >And to think, I have customers who complain about a price of $100.00 >for a piece of software. I'd hate to be trying to sell them a $65K+ UNIX >source license. :-) The $3K is for unlimited site-wide use of the source code. Binary sublicensing is available, so that a binary copy could be distributed for a fee along the lines of what you seem to consider reasonable. After all, the "$100" software you talk about is unlikely to come in source form.
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (10/25/88)
In article <8748@smoke.BRL.MIL>, gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn ) writes: > The $3K [for ksh] is for unlimited site-wide use of the source code. Reasonable so far, I guess, but... > Binary sublicensing is available, so that a binary copy could be > distributed for a fee along the lines of what you seem to consider > reasonable. So where do I find someone to port ksh to Xenix-286 R3.5 for the intel 310 box so I could buy a copy? Basically, for anything but the big names the $3000 is the only way to go. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Ferranti International Controls Corporation "Have you hugged U your wolf today?" uunet.uu.net!ficc!peter Disclaimer: My typos are my own damn business. peter@ficc.uu.net
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn ) (10/26/88)
In article <1998@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >So where do I find someone to port ksh to Xenix-286 R3.5 for the intel 310 >box so I could buy a copy? Who did you buy your Xenix from? If you don't tell your software supplier what you want, you'll just have to take what they give you.
davidsen@steinmetz.ge.com (William E. Davidsen Jr) (10/28/88)
In article <1998@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: ... | So where do I find someone to port ksh to Xenix-286 R3.5 for the intel 310 | box so I could buy a copy? Basically, for anything but the big names the | $3000 is the only way to go. _Unix World_ and _Unix Review_ carry ads for ksh in binary for about $150. For Xenix/286, 386, V/AT and V/386. Don't know how they got it working in V/AT, maybe used a more recent compiler than mine;-) -- bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) {uunet | philabs}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
kramer@bionette.CS.ORST.EDU (Jack Kramer - CMBL) (10/28/88)
In article <1998@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: > >So where do I find someone to port ksh to Xenix-286 R3.5 for the intel 310 >box so I could buy a copy? Basically, for anything but the big names the >$3000 is the only way to go. >-- Its been done. And very reasonably priced by Mortice Kern Systems. They advertize in most UNIX magazines and journals. I use their Korn shell for MSDOS and love it. I would have bought the Xenix version from MKS but I have updated to an AT&T 386 and the SysV came with the Korn shell. I have no association with either MKS or AT&T other than as a satisfied customer. Jack Kramer Computational Biology Laboratory Oregon State University