eric@hdr.UUCP (Eric J. Johnson) (01/06/89)
Help! The new boss has decided that we no longer need our 3B15 running UNIX System V for software development, but can get along instead with a VAX 11/730 running VMS. :-( Our software development duties including the building of language products (using yacc/lex, etc.) and communications interfaces, and the porting thereof to a number of target operating systems (lots of flavors of Unix, VMS, PC-DOS, OS-1100, etc.) UNIX for us has been an excellent platform for us in this type of work. If anyone has put together a list/report comparing UNIX and VMS for software development, or has their own insights, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you! As you might guess, I am rather fond of UNIX and would like to keep it around. -- Eric J. Johnson, Amperif Corporation. UUCP: eric@hdr.UUCP Perhaps, once upon a time, some Devilish hacker planted a bomb deep in the human brain such that it would only trigger upon a certain thought passing through the mind... Perhaps this explains spontaneous human combu*****
debra@alice.UUCP (Paul De Bra) (01/07/89)
In article <901@hdr.UUCP> eric@hdr.UUCP (Eric J. Johnson) writes: > >Help! The new boss has decided that we no longer need our 3B15 running >UNIX System V for software development, but can get along instead with >a VAX 11/730 running VMS. :-( >... >If anyone has put together a list/report comparing UNIX and VMS for software >development, or has their own insights, I would greatly appreciate hearing >from you! As you might guess, I am rather fond of UNIX and would like to >keep it around. > The best folution is to fire your boss, but that might be a bit of a problem:-) I have no idea why your boss wants this move from the 3B15 to a 730. In any case I think the performance difference should be at least a factor of 2 (but probably more), meaning that the software developers will spend twice as much time waiting for compiles... I think your products may become expensive! I can't imagine why people want to move to a 730 these days. It is becoming more and more difficult to find someone who wants a 750 (for free) these days... If money is an issue, your boss should know that depending on the periferals you can get a 386-box with Unix or Xenix for between $5000 and $10000, that will outperform the 730 by a factor of 10 at least. Paul. -- ------------------------------------------------------ |debra@research.att.com | uunet!research!debra | ------------------------------------------------------
dean@usceast.UUCP (Dean Karres) (01/07/89)
In article <901@hdr.UUCP> eric@hdr.UUCP (Eric J. Johnson) writes: > >Help! The new boss has decided that we no longer need our 3B15 running >UNIX System V for software development, but can get along instead with >a VAX 11/730 running VMS. :-( >.. If your company is, currently, a solid Unix shop who's employees don't grok VMS then there will be a learning curve for your developers. Is this a significant time/money concern? Who knows. But it is a concideration. If your shop is already mixed, Unix/VMS or Unix/*, then there is probably no real reason not to spead development tasks over the available machines. Another concideration is since the "new boss" wants this change is it possible that (s)he is a VMS type and doesn't grok Unix? Also, it has been my experience that "general user security" on VMS is somewhat more -er- robust than that found on vanilla Sys V Unix. So, if your development tasks *must* be separate and secure VMS *may* offer a solution of sorts. Dean Karres -- Dean Karres US-Mail: Math & Stat Comp Cntr, Math Dept, USC, Columbia, SC 29208 E-Mail: ...{gatech!hubcap, mcnc!ece-csc}!ncrcae!usceast!dean - or -: relay.cs.net!cs.scarolina.edu!dean
bzs@Encore.COM (Barry Shein) (01/08/89)
>Help! The new boss has decided that we no longer need our 3B15 running >UNIX System V for software development, but can get along instead with >a VAX 11/730 running VMS. :-( That's what you get for living in Nebraska... -me
bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (01/08/89)
In article <901@hdr.UUCP> eric@hdr.UUCP (Eric J. Johnson) writes: +------------- |Help! The new boss has decided that we no longer need our 3B15 running |UNIX System V for software development, but can get along instead with |a VAX 11/730 running VMS. :-( | |Our software development duties including the building of language products |(using yacc/lex, etc.) and communications interfaces, and the porting thereof |to a number of target operating systems (lots of flavors of Unix, VMS, PC-DOS, |OS-1100, etc.) UNIX for us has been an excellent platform for us in this |type of work. | |If anyone has put together a list/report comparing UNIX and VMS for software |development, or has their own insights, I would greatly appreciate hearing |from you! As you might guess, I am rather fond of UNIX and would like to |keep it around. +------------- Your new boss is brain-damaged. I won't suggest any list of Unix/VMS comparisons. I'll instead suggest you replace your boss... +------------- |Eric J. Johnson, Amperif Corporation. UUCP: eric@hdr.UUCP |Perhaps, once upon a time, some Devilish hacker planted a bomb deep in the |human brain such that it would only trigger upon a certain thought passing |through the mind... Perhaps this explains spontaneous human combu***** +------------- Good luck, -- _ _/\ Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. \`o O| Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu \(")/ BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET ---mm-U-mm--- "The OSF is suffering from Penix envy" - Rocky Raccoon
bak@csd-v.UUCP (Bruce A. Kern) (01/11/89)
For software development and testing UNIX has the advantage of cheap process creation. Besides being able to do 3 things at once (most VMS systems I've worked on limit the number of concurrent sub-processes to 2), the simulation of a programs environment via process which provide input, suck-up output, and emulate interrupts is much more easily created in UNIX than VMS in my experience. -- Bruce A. Kern 1-203-270-0399 Computer Systems Design Voice: 730 - 1700 Mon. thru Fri. 29 High Rock Road Data: All other times Sandy Hook, Ct. 06482