rang@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Anton Rang) (06/07/89)
In article <19896@adm.BRL.MIL> bzs@bu-cs.bu.edu (Barry Shein) writes: [ about security ] >Although I'd probably agree with what you're trying to say I just want >to point out that 10 Million PC's and about 1 Million Mac's say you're >(we're?) wrong. There's no concept of security on those machines >(heck, there's no concept of a "user" tho various things have been >hacked on top for network add-on software.) I'd have to call that >representative of "many" people. We can go back to "reason" but, hey, >11 million user's voted with their pocketbooks, hard to dispute. Then again, my Macs aren't connected to a network where anybody can come in and (ab)use them. They're in my dorm room. It's locked if I'm not there. I don't know of any businesses which leave valuable information on PCs which are not in locked offices. I don't CARE about security on a single-user machine. If I had my own VAX with VMS, and it wasn't networked, I could disable all the security and just run with all the privileges all the time. (I wouldn't, because security helps prevent mistakes too, but I could.) If you want an OS for a multi-user machine, you need security. Anton +---------------------------+------------------------+ | Anton Rang (grad student) | "VMS Forever!" | | Michigan State University | rang@cpswh.cps.msu.edu | +---------------------------+------------------------+
sewilco@datapg.MN.ORG (Scot E Wilcoxon) (06/08/89)
In article <19896@adm.BRL.MIL> bzs@bu-cs.bu.edu (Barry Shein) writes: [ about security ] >Although I'd probably agree with what you're trying to say I just want >to point out that 10 Million PC's and about 1 Million Mac's say you're >(we're?) wrong. There's no concept of security on those machines >... Now that they've got viruses chasing them around, the owners are learning the concepts of security. -- Scot E. Wilcoxon sewilco@DataPg.MN.ORG {amdahl|hpda}!bungia!datapg!sewilco Data Progress UNIX masts & rigging +1 612-825-2607 uunet!datapg!sewilco I'm just reversing entropy while waiting for the Big Crunch.
cheetah@blake.acs.washington.edu ( ) (07/07/89)
I will be bringing a new UUCP site on-line within the next 60 days. In preparation, I am trying to learn as much as possible about information system security. The main emphisis is on the UNIX and VAX/VMS operating systems. If you are aware of any mailing lists, publications, texts, or other sources of information on these subjects, please drop me a note. In an attempt to conserve bandwidth, as well as other obvious reasons, please Email me directly. Thank you for your assistence in this matter. - Steve ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." || - Jeremy S. Anderson #include <disclaimer.h> cheetah@blake.acs.wahington.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
KARAGEOR%CTSTATEU.BITNET@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (05/04/91)
The latest and greates flames about UNIX security and the right to
know the details were greatly amusing to me. Here we have a system developed
run , debugged , updated etc by HACKS themselves. Face it people we are all
hackers more or less. O.K. some really great hackers now call themselves
wizards and are getting paid for it. By all means keep the flame going if
nothing else it will give us back our lost childhood.
Do not see this posting as a pun against the guild people. I love
what I am doing and I love all you. If I have done any damage, psychological
or otherwise to any of you please forgive me since I seem to be naive.
Mike Tajmajer once said "I think that I am happy , therefore I am"
I say "I stopped thinking therefore I am happy"
next wekk I will something else and then some and I will try to prove
that there is life around my monitor. Alas my monitor is blocking the sun.
Any resemblence to a commercial company is INDEED purely coincidental.