edwards@uwmacc.UUCP (01/17/87)
I finally broke down and bought a pc for myself, now my only
problem is editting. I am a avid "vi" user and find it hard
to break my "vi" habits of pressing "esc" when anything goes
wrong.
I have many other public domain or shareware editors but, they
just are not "vi". I also have sources to tvx, but I have the
MSC 4.0 compiler (Does any one have they changes to compile it
under MSC ?).
Are there any public domain, or comercial "vi" or "vi like"
editors available ?
Thanks
mark
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edwards@unix.macc.wisc.edu
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UW-Madison, 1210 West Dayton St., Madison WI 53706dalegass@dalcs.UUCP (Dale Gass) (01/20/87)
In article <903@uwmacc.UUCP>, edwards@uwmacc.UUCP writes: > > Are there any public domain, or comercial "vi" or "vi like" > editors available ? > The Aztec C Compiler package from Manx Software includes an editor called 'Z' (or 'PCZ') that is an exact duplicate of the 'vi' editor. The only problem is the Compiler package that includes this editor cost upwards of $500. I don't know if Manx offers the editor separately, but it might be worth a try. (If you're into C, the Aztec compiler is very fast and effecient, and comes with an excellent source debugger...) *************************************************************************** Dale Gass, Dalhousie U., Halifax, N.S., Canada UUCP: {seismo|watmath|utai|garfield}!dalcs!dalegass.UUCP or dalegass@dalcs.UUCP ...!dalcs!dalcsug!dalegass.UUCP or dalegass@dalcsug.UUCP CDN: dalegass@cs.dal.cdn CSNET: dalegass%cs.dal.cdn@ubc.csnet ARPA: dalegass%cs.dal.cdn%ubc.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA
dan@rna.UUCP (Dan Ts'o) (01/21/87)
In article <2368@dalcs.UUCP> dalegass@dalcs.UUCP (Dale Gass) writes: >In article <903@uwmacc.UUCP>, edwards@uwmacc.UUCP writes: >> >> Are there any public domain, or comercial "vi" or "vi like" >> editors available ? >> > >The Aztec C Compiler package from Manx Software includes an editor called >'Z' (or 'PCZ') that is an exact duplicate of the 'vi' editor. > >The only problem is the Compiler package that includes this editor cost >upwards of $500. I don't know if Manx offers the editor separately, but >it might be worth a try. (If you're into C, the Aztec compiler is very >fast and effecient, and comes with an excellent source debugger...) There is a very good version of VI for the PC available from Custom Software Systems PO Box 678 Natick, MA 01760 617-653-2555 Although I don't use all the esoteric feature of VI, every VI feature I am used to on 4.2BSD VI is present on PC/VI, except piping (!). Too bad. I believe they want about $130 for it. It is very solid and will edit large files. It is a little slow on a PC, primarily on startup. Much better to have a hard disk. It feels fine on an AT. You may have to use an ANSI driver other than ANSI.SYS (supplied by IBM). They recomment FANSI-CONSOLE from Hershey Micro Consulting, but other drivers may work. The Z editor mention above is nice, small and fast. It, however, implements only a small subset of VI. The version of Z I have, for example, doesn't allow any EX-style commands such as global replace, etc (only :wq). It also fails on files above, roughly, 30kb. I hope this helps... Cheers, Dan Ts'o Dept. Neurobiology Rockefeller Univ. 1230 York Ave. NY, NY 10021 212-570-7671 ...cmcl2!rna!dan rna!dan@cmcl2.arpa
gsen@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (george sawyer easton) (01/21/87)
In article <903@uwmacc.UUCP> edwards@uwmacc.UUCP (mark edwards) writes: > > I finally broke down and bought a pc for myself, .......... > > Are there any public domain, or comercial "vi" or "vi like" > editors available ? > > Thanks > mark >-- > edwards@unix.macc.wisc.edu > {allegra, ihnp4, seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!edwards > UW-Madison, 1210 West Dayton St., Madison WI 53706 I've used two, and both seem to be excellent products. The first is PC/VI by Custom Software Systems (P.O. Box 678, Natick, MA 01760; ph. 617-653-2555). As far as I can tell, this is a complete implementation of vi with excellent documentation. Very likely you will learn more about vi from PC/VI's documentation than from any Unix manuals I've seen. Vi is much more powerful than many people are aware. The second vi I've used comes as part of the MKS (Mortice Kern Systems, 43 Bridgeport Road East, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 2J4; ph 519-884-2251) toolkit, which includes a korn shell and a bunch of utilities including vi, more, grep, sed, awk, etc. I've only had this software for a week or so, and I will never go back to command.com. The vi seems to be complete, and I haven't had any problems with it yet. The documentation is Unix-style. This package seems really nice to me so far, although I haven't have it long enough to detect subtle problems. I think both products sell for about $140, but it would be a good idea to call. George S. Easton University of Chicago ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!gsen
pnessutt@nis.UUCP (Robert A. Monio) (01/23/87)
In article <2368@dalcs.UUCP> dalegass@dalcs.UUCP (Dale Gass) writes: >In article <903@uwmacc.UUCP>, edwards@uwmacc.UUCP writes: >> >> Are there any public domain, or comercial "vi" or "vi like" >> editors available ? >> > >The Aztec C Compiler package from Manx Software includes an editor called >'Z' (or 'PCZ') that is an exact duplicate of the 'vi' editor. > >The only problem is the Compiler package that includes this editor cost >upwards of $500. I don't know if Manx offers the editor separately, but >it might be worth a try. (If you're into C, the Aztec compiler is very >fast and effecient, and comes with an excellent source debugger...) > Custom Software Systems sells a VI editor for the PC called PC-VI. We use it for all of our editing on our PC's here. It's a very nice 'copy' of SYS VR2 VI. It cost $119 through the programmers connection. In comparison to 'Z', I've found PC-VI to be better copy. Z only allows you to work with files that are 64K or less in size. PC-VI allows you to use files larger than 64K. Also, PC-VI handles my unix VI macros without any real problems. I would recommend this to anyone who is looking for a VI editor for the PC. Contact programmers connection or look for the ads in the PC Tech Journal. -Bob -- Robert A. Monio UUCP: ihnp4!meccts!nis!pnessutt Systems/Analyst - Technical Services ATT: (612) 894-9494 National Information Systems, Inc. "These Proceedings are Closed!"
bobm@rtech.UUCP (01/24/87)
(BTW, a "Followup-to:" line in your article should be a newsgroup name, not a remark intended for human consumption. Posting to "earlier discussion involving ..." doesn't work too well :-)) > >>The Aztec C Compiler package from Manx Software includes an editor called >>'Z' (or 'PCZ') that is an exact duplicate of the 'vi' editor. >> >>The only problem is the Compiler package that includes this editor cost >>upwards of $500. I don't know if Manx offers the editor separately, but >>it might be worth a try. (If you're into C, the Aztec compiler is very >>fast and effecient, and comes with an excellent source debugger...) >> > > Custom Software Systems sells a VI editor for the PC called PC-VI. We > use it for all of our editing on our PC's here. It's a very nice > 'copy' of SYS VR2 VI. It cost $119 through the programmers > connection. > > In comparison to 'Z', I've found PC-VI to be better copy. Z only > allows you to work with files that are 64K or less in size. PC-VI > allows you to use files larger than 64K. Also, PC-VI handles my unix > VI macros without any real problems. > I bought the Manx Z editor alone quite a while back for right around $100. Historically, it predated PC-VI by quite a bit, and seemed to be the only vi clone around then. It did NOT implement most of the ex command set, only the visual portion, and I find lack of ":g" more annoying than the 64K limitation. If I were shopping today, I'd probably buy PC-VI, although I got enough use out of the Manx product before PC-VI appeared that I can't complain. PC-VI does have the drawback that it insists on having the [FN]ANSI.SYS driver, and may be a bit slower at screen redraw than the Manx editor which writes directly to the screen. I haven't personally compared the two from this standpoint, but my geuss is that it makes little difference, and is a problem only if you don't want ANSI.SYS loaded for some reason. I DID get 1 upgrade from Manx which implemented ranged ":s" commands, but they still don't have ":g" as far as I know. -- Bob McQueer {amdahl, sun, mtxinu, hoptoad, cpsc6a}!rtech!bobm
rjg@nis.UUCP (01/25/87)
In article <616@rtech.UUCP> bobm@rtech.UUCP (Bob Mcqueer) writes: ... >complain. PC-VI does have the drawback that it insists on having the >[FN]ANSI.SYS driver, and may be a bit slower at screen redraw than the Manx ... The latest version of PC-VI does not require the use of the ANSI.SYS driver, as the earlier versions did. -- Robert J. Granvin UUCP: ihnp4!meccts!nis!rjg Programmer/Analyst - Technical Services ATT: (612) 894-9494 National Information Systems, Inc. "Let's see who's up the creek without an overthruster NOW, Space Cadet!"