src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) (04/27/91)
apart from providing anonymous uucp and guest logins for
downloading GNU and other free software from USENET and
various other sources, we now offer distribution of all
the stuff we have archived here on standard QIC 1/4" tape
cartridges (60MB tar format) for the european area. the
conditions are identical to the FSF's. note that we are
not limited to the normal GNU tapes (see below).
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________ $210 GNU Emacs source code and other software.
The tape includes:
* GNU Emacs (the extensible, customizable, self-documenting
real-time display editor)
* The GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, as Texinfo source.
* MIT Scheme (a dialect of Lisp)
* T, Yale's implementation of Scheme
* Bison (a free, compatible replacement for yacc)
* Nethack (a rogue-like game)
* GNU Chess (a chess playing program with an interface to X)
* texi2roff (for printing Texinfo source with [nt]roff)
* Data Compression Software (to uncompress source on the tape).
________ $210 GNU Compiler source code and related software,
for Unix systems. The tape includes:
* GCC (the GNU C Compiler, including COFF support)
* Bison (a free, compatible replacement for yacc)
* G++ (the C++ front end to GCC)
* lib-g++ (the G++ class library)
* NIH Class Library (formerly known as OOPS)
* Gas (the GNU Assembler)
* GNU object file utilities (ar, ld, make, gprof, size, nm,
strip, ranlib, et al.)
* COFF support for GNU software tools
* GDB (The GNU source-level C debugger)
* GNU make
* Bash (GNUs' Bourne Again SHell)
* Gawk (the GNU implementation of the AWK programming language)
* Flex (Vern Paxson fast rewrite of lex)
* GNU tar
* RCS (Revision Control System)
* CVS (Concurrent Control System)
* GNU diff and grep
* Ghostscript (a Postscript interpreter)
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* Perl (version 4.0; a programming language interpreter)
* f2c (a FORTRAN to C translator)
* other GNU utilities (file utilities, indent, c-perf, et al.)
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* texi2roff (for printing Texinfo source with [nt]roff)
* Data Compression Software (to uncompress source on the tape).
________ $210 Required MIT X Window System X11R4, core software and
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________ $210 Optional MIT X Window System X11R4, contributed software
including libraries, games, Andrew and toolkits.
________ $210 The Net Tape, which includes
* bnews-2.11#19 (USENET news transport software)
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* nn-6.4.4#16 (menu-oriented newsreader)
* rn-4.3 (classic newsreader)
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* pathalias-10.0 (the uucp mail path routing program)
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* mush-7.2.2 (mail users shell)
* pcomm-1.2.10 (a procomm look-alike for unix)
* C-Kermit-4E(070) (the ultra-classic terminal/transfer program)
* X/Y/Z-Modem (error correcting file transfer protocol)
* tipx-1.2 (extended tip program)
* ecu-3.0#5 (extended cu)
* man tcp programs, i.e. bind, dig, doc, ftpd, gated, irc, pty,
lansf, smurph, nstools, etc.
* lots of miscellaneous stuff
________ $210 Collection Tape - contains what you want! possible sections to
select from until the tape is full are
* games (you name them - we have dozens)
* programming (intercal, forth, tcl, abc, basic, elk, kcl, logo,
kcl, lst, p2c, perl, python, C-Scheme, prolog, flisp, f2c ...)
* X11-clients (various games, tools and goodies)
* archivers (shar, zoo, arc, rkive, freeze, lharc, unzip)
* graphics (urt, prt, qrt, nff, dither, rayshade, sipp,...)
* editors (crisp, dte, uEMACS, fm, stevie, jove, uZAP,...)
* MACH-3.0 (the freed parts of the MACH kernel sources)
* the bible (kings version)
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shells, filesystem utilities, security docs and programs....)
* filters (pbmplus, this2that programs)
* TeX-3.0 (typesetting system)
* weird stuff (CP/M & Apple // emulators, mkIrecog etc)
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uucp scuzzy!/src/README /your/homewilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (04/27/91)
Am I just crabby this AM, or do these prices for tapes seem somewhat high? After all, a 60 meg cart. tape is at most $30, an hour of professional time perhaps $50, handling another $30. It would seem to me something on the order of $125 a tape would be adequate compensation for selling someone else's efforts without royalties to the authors. Clarence Wilkerson
src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) (04/30/91)
wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >Am I just crabby this AM, or do these prices for tapes seem >somewhat high? After all, a 60 meg cart. tape is at most $30, >an hour of professional time perhaps $50, handling another $30. >It would seem to me something on the order of $125 a tape would >be adequate compensation for selling someone else's efforts >without royalties to the authors. >Clarence Wilkerson i already answered those questions in some mails, but anyway: first, as you might have read in the posting, the prices are identical to those of the FSF. second, you must consider the costs of >300MB diskspace, the time to administrate such an amount of sources and the extra cost of the streamer (which is far too small to backup my 700MB+). i also need to buy another disk in the not-too-far future, there isn't much space left. you could actually download everything 'for free', but that's not practical for the X sources or for people with 2400 bps modems. -- Heiko Blume <-+-> src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de <-+-> (+49 30) 691 88 93 [voice!] public UNIX source archive [HST V.42bis]: scuzzy Any ACU,f 38400 6919520 gin:--gin: nuucp sword: nuucp uucp scuzzy!/src/README /your/home
alter@ttidca.TTI.COM (Steve Alter) (05/02/91)
In article <11419@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: } Am I just crabby this AM, or do these prices for tapes seem } somewhat high? After all, a 60 meg cart. tape is at most $30, } an hour of professional time perhaps $50, handling another $30. } It would seem to me something on the order of $125 a tape would } be adequate compensation for selling someone else's efforts } without royalties to the authors. } Clarence Wilkerson The article to which Mr. Wilkerson refers did mention something about GNU tapes for export to *Europe* so that may up the prices a bit... Here's an alternative (to the list of tapes at $210 each): UUNET Communications sells an 8mm (Exabyte) tape with 600 megabytes of stuff including EVERYTHING that Heiko Blume <src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de> mentioned in the original posting and lots more, all on one tape, for about $170 US. I don't know if it's available in Europe; call them or write to them for more info. 1 703 876 5050 (voice) 1 703 876 5059 (fax) info@uunet.uu.net I do not speak for uunet and have no vested interest; I'm just a happy customer. I acted like a kid in a candy store while reading the listing of stuff on that tape. Disclaimer: if you don't have an Exabyte tape drive, then you may have a bit of trouble reading this tape. -- Steve Alter <alter@ttidca.tti.com> {philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!alter Transaction Technology Inc. a subsidiary of Citicorp (213) 450-9111 x2541
src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) (05/05/91)
alter@ttidca.TTI.COM (Steve Alter) writes: >In article <11419@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >} [thinks it's too expensive] >The article to which Mr. Wilkerson refers did mention something about >GNU tapes for export to *Europe* so that may up the prices a bit... no, i *am* in europe (germany, to be precise). we are starting to distribute on tape because our public login is reaching it's limits. also V.32 and PEP users can't download at high speeds, since we only have a normal HST. >Here's an alternative (to the list of tapes at $210 each): [quite cheap exabyte tapes from uunet] after some email between me and the FSF i can now tell you the following: - they think it's *not* a good idea to (re)distribute their tapes for *less* than $200. they fear that they'd get less revenues themselves, because they would probably sell less tapes. the prices they charge *do* include an implicit donation used to create more free software. - they suggested to distribute under the same conditions as they do (basically). we will. - the excess revenues i may make with distributing tapes will go into hard/software to improve our ability to distribute free software (we desperately need another big disk) and/or will be donated to the FSF to help them. perhaps i should note that i'm a cs student with a little business starting on the side, and you might agree that it's not exactly inexpensive to have a 386/33 UNIX machine with 760MB (on 3 disks), streamer, modem etc... further, i would like to mention that our tapes are not just copies of the FSF tapes. we also archive many sources from USENET and fetch many from other sources (which is quite some tedious work, i tell you). all these are included on the appropriate tapes. we also have non-FSF tapes like The Net Tape which we thought are a good idea. if someone wants to join the net he basically gets everything he might need on a single tape and doesn't have to hunt for the various programs floating around. another question that i don't know an answer to yet, is: what currency should i request?? until now i just used the order form of the FSF which says US$. perhaps ECU would be better for europe? what does the net think? a new version of the order form that adresses all that will be posted in a few days. -- Heiko Blume <-+-> src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de <-+-> (+49 30) 691 88 93 [voice!] public UNIX source archive [HST V.42bis]: scuzzy Any ACU,f 38400 6919520 gin:--gin: nuucp sword: nuucp uucp scuzzy!/src/README /your/home
martelli@cadlab.sublink.ORG (Alex Martelli) (05/05/91)
alter@ttidca.TTI.COM (Steve Alter) writes:
...
:UUNET Communications sells an 8mm (Exabyte) tape with 600 megabytes
:of stuff including EVERYTHING that Heiko Blume <src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de>
:mentioned in the original posting and lots more, all on one tape, for
:about $170 US. I don't know if it's available in Europe; call them or
It is, indeed; I ordered it as soon as the announcement was posted in
comp.newproducts or whatever that newsgroup is called. I don't recall
precisely, but I think I paid something like $190, US (and I was also
SO lucky as to order in the exact period that the US$ was at its
historical low wrt European currencies!-). The tape read perfectly on
a Sun3 with exabyte and tar, just as long as one DISREGARDS Sun's FM,
which claims that tar, on reading, is able to determine a tape's block
size automatically: in reality, you have to give the blocksize explicitly,
as noticed in the one-line instruction coming with the tape.
:Disclaimer: if you don't have an Exabyte tape drive, then you may have
:a bit of trouble reading this tape.
A friend with an Olivetti workstation with exabyte and SCO Unix was
completely unable to read the tape; I believe, from this experience,
that exabyte tapes must not be completely portable... his drive works,
it can read the tapes it writes, but we can't exchange tapes between
our sites (8mm tapes, I mean; QIC tapes from/to our *other* drives
work perfectly). UUNET also sells the material (it's 580 megabytes,
actually, NOT a full 600... tch, tch...:-) on 9 inch and QIC formats,
but it's FAR more costly that way (I understand why - the media, the
human work needed, the postage!).
Another caveat: you're NOT guaranteed to get the most recent version of
everything and anything, just what happens to be archived on UUNET at
the moment. For example, my tape does have Roell's X386, but only 1.1,
NOT 1.1a, although it was cut in February and Roell has been
distributing 1.1a since, I believe, December; similarly, the Bash is
1.05 (I believe 1.07 is what FSF is now distributing), the gcc is 1.37
(I believe 1.39 is the most recent), and so on. If you absolutely must
have the latest, keep this in mind!
Me, I'm a happy customer - full archives of comp.sources.{unix,misc,x,
games}, of comp.std.unix, of the freed BSD sources, of X11R4, rfcs, etc.
If I had found a US site willing to let me download everything by phone
I believe the call would have lasted a week...:-)wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (05/05/91)
In your initial posting it was not clear what relationship you had with the FSF people. It's still not, but I regard your response as evidence of good will. The question of reasonable cost is nebulous, but I suppose the evidence will be whether or not people order your tapes at that price. I don't think that the buyers should be led to think that part of the reason for the cost is donations to the FSF if that has not been explicitly arranged. If the buyers want to support your acquisition of a nice system, hard drivers, etc, that's fine as long as they realize it. Clarence Wilkerson
src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) (05/09/91)
wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >In your initial posting it was not clear what relationship >you had with the FSF people. It's still not, but I regard your >response as evidence of good will. > The question of reasonable cost is nebulous, but I suppose the >evidence will be whether or not people order your tapes at that >price. I don't think that the buyers should be led to think that >part of the reason for the cost is donations to the FSF if that >has not been explicitly arranged. If the buyers want to support >your acquisition of a nice system, hard drivers, etc, that's fine >as long as they realize it. >Clarence Wilkerson well, i already have a nice system (386/33 8MB ram, 2x80MB, 1x600MB disk etc). i have a 300MB filesystem for sources which is 96% full. that means i'll have to buy another disk soon, or start to remove valuable sources. since i'm a student i can not afford another big disk, so i had to make a move. i now have an 'arrangement' with the FSF, and Len Tower said he'd post the (now corrected) order form. the bottom line is that all 'profits' will go into more diskspace etc or donations to the FSF. -- Heiko Blume <-+-> src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de <-+-> (+49 30) 691 88 93 [voice!] public UNIX source archive [HST V.42bis]: scuzzy Any ACU,f 38400 6919520 gin:--gin: nuucp sword: nuucp uucp scuzzy!/src/README /your/home