daves@hp-pcd.UUCP (03/07/84)
According to my Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (copyright 1973) a 'bubbler' is: 1) one that bubbles. 2) a drinking fountain from which a stream of water bubbles upward. --Dave Serisky (...[hplabs!]hp-pcd!daves)
shz@hlexa.UUCP (Sally Handy-Zarnstorff) (03/16/84)
About 10 years ago, in a now-forgotten linguistics book, I read that saying "bubbler" instead of "drinking fountain" was local to Wisconsin and (as I recall) Wyoming. Guess they didn't know about Boston! My family and acquaintances from all over Wisconsin regularly use the term "bubbler", but out-of-state folk think we're odd. --Sally Handy-Zarnstorff AT&T Bell Laboratories, Short Hills, NJ ..!ihnp4!hlexa!shz
hstrop@mhuxt.UUCP (trop) (03/16/84)
And then there are the other New England expressions like: tonic (for soda, or pop if you're from New Mexico) frappe (what everyone else seems to call a milkshake) bulkie (Kaiser roll back west) Stuck out east, Harvey S. Trop mhuxt!hstrop
mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) (03/19/84)
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And then there are the other New England expressions like:
tonic (for soda, or pop if you're from New Mexico)
frappe (what everyone else seems to call a milkshake)
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Is tonic soda-water in New England? If so, what is the quinine-flavoured
drink called that other people know as ``tonic'', as in gin-and-tonic?
I learned ``frappe'' as a very thick milk-shake, to be distinguished
from an ordinary one. You could buy either in some places. But I can't
remember whether this was Maryland usage or Ontario (it's so long since
I bought one).
--
Martin Taylor
{allegra,linus,ihnp4,uw-beaver,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmttom@hcr.UUCP (Tom Kelly) (03/20/84)
Growing up in Newburyport, Mass. (says my wife), milkshakes were simply
shaken milk and syrup. Only frappes had ice cream in them. Soda was
soda-water, tonic was fizzy beverages (e.g., Coca-Cola (tm, no doubt),
and tonic water was called "quinine". She has no idea what "quinine"
became when mixed with heathen liquor.
Tom Kelly
{utcsrgv, utzoo, decvax, lbl-csam, ihnp4}!hcr!hcrvax!tomron@brl-vgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (03/20/84)
No no...in New England tonic is any carbonated beverage. It's called pop in areas like Colorado (and was mentioned New Mexico). Maryland calls it "soda". If you ask for a milk shake in New England you are not likely to get any Ice Cream in it unless you ask for a frappe instead. Marylanders never heard of the word frappe. Other interesting anomolies are: What do you call a sandwich on a big roll? They're subs here in Maryland and in Colorado. A few miles up the road in Philly they're hoagies. They're grinders in Mass. I've also heard them called "heros" (New York?)> The stuff I put out by the curb in the morning is "garbage" here but "rubbish" in Boston. I'm still trying to figure out the basis for using "wicked" as an adverb. Most people I've met from New England use it that way. Example: It was wicked hot. He was driving wicked fast. (That's wicked in the sense of the wicked witch, not like having a wick.) Note the absence of -ly. Amused as all git out... -Ron
keesan@bbncca.ARPA (Morris Keesan) (03/21/84)
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"Tonic" is not "tonic water", although "tonic water" is "tonic". "Tonic"
is a generic term for a carbonated beverage (what is called "soda", "pop",
"soda pop", etc. in various parts of the world). For example, Coke, root
beer, ginger ale, and orange soda are all types of "tonic". Quinine water
is sold as "quinine water" or "tonic water", and is what you get in your drink
when you order a gin and tonic in New England, just as anywhere else. Although
I grew up hearing "tonic" as a synonym for "soda", it's not a word I ever used
that way, and I think its use has declined, at least around the Boston area.
A "frappe" is not an "extra-thick milkshake". A "frappe" is what is known
in most of the U.S. as a "milkshake". In Massachusetts, a "milkshake" is milk
and syrup shaken up together. Note that it has no ice cream in it. A "frappe"
is the same thing with ice cream beaten into it. In some places, you can even
get a "frappe float", which is a frappe with a scoop of ice cream floating in
it. I believe that in some part of New England (Rhode Island?) one of the
above is know as a "cabinet". And of course none of these is to be confused
with the concoctions sold by fast-food chains and known as "shakes" (note the
omission of any implication that a cow was involved).
--
Morris M. Keesan
{decvax,linus,wjh12,ima}!bbncca!keesan
keesan @ BBN-UNIX.ARPAjulian@deepthot.UUCP (Julian Davies) (03/21/84)
BTW, tonic water, which DOES have quinine in it (for flavour, maybe) should be avoided by people with hearing problems. Quinine is ototoxic according to my doctor. (Aspirin/ASA is the other common ototoxic substance available without prescription. Its effects may usually reverse after stopping taking the stuff.)
doyle@genrad.UUCP (Rick Doyle) (03/22/84)
Originally coca cola was a tonic (cured headaches etc.) so eventually
all sodas were called tonic in the boston area,where I think the
first coke plant was built.
Frappes,as I know them,are milk shakes with ice cream in it.
from boston,
Rick Doylemolter@eosp1.UUCP (Larry Molter) (03/22/84)
- When I was growing up in my parent's home in nothern New Jersey (my folks were from Queens - this is the key), we had two containers for wastes in the kitchen. One was the "garbage pail" were we threw all WET items. The "rubbish pail", on the other hand, was were everything else that wasn't wet or drippy, or smelly, or wasn't food, went. And... it was the "rubbish men" who came and collected the rubbish every Tuesday and Friday. My wife, and her parents, all grew up in northern NJ. They still have difficulty deciding what items go in which pails. (Yes, I've kept the two-pail tradition alive in my house). But... I put the "garbage" out for the "trash men" to collect. Another one with no flashy sign-off. -Larry
amigo2@ihuxq.UUCP (John Hobson) (03/22/84)
When I was in the U.S. Army, I was informed by my mess sergeant that "garbage" was edible and "trash" was non-edible. It has always struck me as a useful distinction. John Hobson AT&T Bell Labs--Naperville, IL ihnp4!ihuxq!amigo2
mauney@ncsu.UUCP (Jon Mauney) (03/23/84)
When my parents were newlyweds (so they tell me, I wasn't there) they *had* to separate refuse into "trash" (dry) and "garbage" (edible). The trash went into a landfill, and the city didn't want anything that would attract rats; the garbage was fed to hogs on the university farm. The refuse collectors would refuse to take the cans (which served an entire student-slum trailer park) if they found any mixture. This put my mother in a severe dilemma the day she dropped a new jar of peanut butter. My father finally had to wrap it in paper and sneak it into the dumpster where he worked. Why am I posting this to net.cooks? -- _Doctor_ Jon Mauney, mcnc!ncsu!mauney \__Mu__/ North Carolina State University
kds@intelca.UUCP (Ken Shoemaker) (03/24/84)
How about "phosphates"? Anyone heard of these beasts? Well, in
northeastern Ohio, they are a hand mixed version of Orange Soda,
or Strawberry Soda, etc. The person behind the counter just
puts the syrup in a glass, and then adds the soda water, and voila!
I don't know how far they go, but we never heard of them in
southwestern Ohio...the first I heard of them was at Ohio University
(in Athens, southeastern Ohio, but is inundated by northeasterners,
do you get the impression that Ohio is full of corners?) cheers!
--
Ken Shoemaker, Intel, Santa Clara, Ca.
{pur-ee,hplabs,ucbvax!amd70,ogcvax!omsvax}!intelca!kdspetec@umcp-cs.UUCP (03/24/84)
Changing the subject from frappes, I have lived in Maryland for
all my life (26 years now). I have always heard of Kentucky fried
chicken, since a million places sell it. When I was about 21, I took
a vacation to Florida, and I amazed to see beaucoup de places selling
Maryland fried chicken, which I had never heard of. It almost made
me want to get home to see if anyone I knew had ever heard of it.
When I did get home, I found some recipes, but in the 5 or 6 years
that have passed I have only seen a handful of places around here that
offer it. Geez, just when you're secure in your environment......
--
Call-Me: Pete Cottrell, Univ. of Md. Comp. Sci. Dept.
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ARPA: petec.umcp-cs@CSNet-Relayron@brl-vgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (03/26/84)
Anybody know where I can get an Egg Creme in Baltimore? The only place that sold them folded a couple of years ago. The last one I had was at one of the NY bid suites at Constellation. -Ron
barmar@mit-eddie.UUCP (Barry Margolin) (03/28/84)
-------------------- Martin Taylor: I learned ``frappe'' as a very thick milk-shake, to be distinguished from an ordinary one. You could buy either in some places. -------------------- This is not how it works in Boston. Here, a "frappe" is what the rest of us call a "milk-shake", and a "milk-shake" is chocolate milk that has been put through a blender. Strangely enough, McDonald's and Burger King manage to get away with calling them "shakes" here. -- Barry Margolin ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar
ptw@vaxine.UUCP (P. T. Withington) (03/28/84)
Then you must know what a "cabinet" is...
jbf@ccieng5.UUCP (Jens Bernhard Fiederer) (03/29/84)
Pop is used to mean a carbonated in upstate New York, specifically Buffalo. Azhrarn -- Reachable as ....allegra![rayssd,rlgvax]!ccieng5!jbf Or just address to 'native of the night' and trust in the forces of evil.
nonh@utzoo.UUCP (Chris Robertson) (04/03/84)
If "bubbler" is local to Wisconsin, Wyoming and Boston, how come everyone in Australia says it too....? (Well, at least in Sydney!) --Chris