[comp.graphics] VCR hook-up to VGA monitor

bollard@marlin.NOSC.MIL (Jennifer Bollard) (01/21/89)

I'm posting this for a friend.  You guys are pretty tough out there - please
don't holler if this is posted to the wrong place.

He wants to know if a VCR tape can be projected on a VGA monitor, using
a Paradise graphics card.  Is this possible?  If so, what hardware/software
is needed?

Please send any responses to me via e-mail, and I'll pass them along.

Thanks.

UD047203@NDSUVM1.BITNET (01/25/89)

The VCR use composite analog signal, where the RGB are encode in one signal
(RS-170).  VGA standard are analog signal, but RGB are seperated.  Note that
VGA monitor has 15 pin out.  There is a way  to convert RGB signal to NTSC
signal (RS-170) , but as far as I know there is no easy way to convert from
NTSC signal to RGB signal.

                          Larry

fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Ethan M. Young) (01/26/89)

I would be very interested in how to convert an RGB signal to NTSC and vice
versa.  (Especially as I have a b&w monitor and a NEC MultiSync, I would like
color!)  Any information anyone could send me on this subject would be greatly
appreciated.

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vg55611@ihuxy.ATT.COM (Gopal) (01/26/89)

In article <1776UD047203@NDSUVM1> UD047203@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>The VCR use composite analog signal, where the RGB are encode in one signal
>(RS-170).  VGA standard are analog signal, but RGB are seperated.  Note that
>VGA monitor has 15 pin out.  There is a way  to convert RGB signal to NTSC
>signal (RS-170) , but as far as I know there is no easy way to convert from
>NTSC signal to RGB signal.            Larry

Then I wonder how one converts images taken using a video camera
into digital pictures (various formats .TGA, .GIF, .TIF etc.)

There seem to be many people who have that capability.  Anyone care to
shed some light on the subject ?

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ciemo@bananapc.SGI.COM (Dave Ciemiewicz) (01/27/89)

In article <1776UD047203@NDSUVM1>, UD047203@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>  ...
> signal (RS-170) , but as far as I know there is no easy way to convert from
> NTSC signal to RGB signal.
> 
>                           Larry

Isn't NTSC to RGB conversion done inside just about every color TV set in
North America?

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myers@hpfcdj.HP.COM (Bob Myers) (01/28/89)

>I would be very interested in how to convert an RGB signal to NTSC and vice
>versa.  (Especially as I have a b&w monitor and a NEC MultiSync, I would like
>color!)  Any information anyone could send me on this subject would be greatly
>appreciated.

There is not an "easy" solution for this, as the conversion in either direction
requires some fancy encoding/decoding which is best done by some specialized
ICs; I refer you to the Motorola Linear and Interface ICs data book for
some examples.  (Note particularly the MC1377 NTSC encoder.)

However, one basic question should be answered first; "NTSC" video not only
implies a means of color encoding, but also a very specific timing.  Most
"computer" video formats do not match NTSC timing, and it takes a rather
sophisticated converter to take non-NTSC-rate RGB and produce a signal
suitable for viewing on the ol' home TV.  You should also realize the you
WILL lose image quality in going from nearly any RGB signal to NTSC; besides
the low-res timing, NTSC encoding *purposely* reduces the effective color
resolution.  It also is not particularly good at color fidelity (hence the
old joke "NTSC = Never Twice the Same Color").

Further discussion on NTSC/RGB conversion and color encoding in general may be
more appropriate in sci.electronics or rec.video.


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keller@ficc.uu.net (Curtis Keller) (01/31/89)

In article <2823@ihuxy.ATT.COM>, vg55611@ihuxy.ATT.COM (Gopal) writes:
> In article <1776UD047203@NDSUVM1> UD047203@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
> >The VCR use composite analog signal, where the RGB are encode in one signal
> >(RS-170).  VGA standard are analog signal, but RGB are seperated.  Note that
> >VGA monitor has 15 pin out.  There is a way  to convert RGB signal to NTSC
> >signal (RS-170) , but as far as I know there is no easy way to convert from
> >NTSC signal to RGB signal.            Larry
> 

Data Translation (100 Locke Drive, Marlboro, MA 01752,
(617)-481-3700)) sells such a product "DT2869 Video
Decoder/Encoder" to convert NTSC or PAL into RGB and vice versa,
the ~$1000 board plugs into an IBM PC.  

Call them and ask for a catalog --- it has some nice stuff in it,
but I have not ordered anything so I can not vouch for them.
  
> Then I wonder how one converts images taken using a video camera
> into digital pictures (various formats .TGA, .GIF, .TIF etc.)
> 
Data Translation also sells "frame grabbers" to connect a video
camera to a PC or Mac.


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