[comp.graphics] Student Housing at SIGGRAPH

siggraph@watcgl.waterloo.edu (07/23/89)

Facts about using dorms for SIGGRAPH housing (from the conference
management people):

1.  The last time dorms were used was SIGGRAPH '84 in Minneapolis.

2.  Each year some effort is made to see if dorms make sense.  Since
1984, the answer has been (at least in the opinion of the people
looking into it) "no".

3.  Most housing bureaus won't work with dorm rooms thus resulting in a
lot of (paid) staff time for SIGGRAPH to coordinate arrivals,
departures, changes, etc.  (All of this is handled FOR FREE by
convention/housing bureaus for hotel rooms.)

4.  Some dorms required full prepayment of rooms before they will hold
anything.  Rooms are then non-refundable.  SIGGRAPH would need to front
the money, with students paying SIGGRAPH (more paid staff time
required to bill for and collect this money -- here's a place where
it might be possible for students to do the work and reap the benefits
-- but this is REAL work, starting months in advance of the conference
and almost certainly taking many hours during the week of the conference
if it is to be done right).

5.  Dorms rooms are usually not conveniently located, thus adding
substantially to busing costs (or complaints about no buses).

6.  If "cheap student housing" is available in limited quantity, how
does SIGGRAPH control it so the rooms really do go to students?  Or
should this be controlled, since many artists are in the same situation
of very limited incomes and government employees have maximum hotel
allowances that mean they can't afford room rates in cities like
Boston, SF, and Chicago.

7.  For SIGGRAPH '90 (Dallas) and SIGGRAPH '91 (Las Vegas), we are
loaded with low price rooms.  But SIGGRAPH '92 (Chicago) will be
another bad situation like Boston.  It would probably be worth the
added effort to make some special arrangements.

buck@drax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Loren (Buck) Buchanan) (07/24/89)

If a student (or other non-funded person) really wants to go I suggest
doing what I did for my first two SIGGRAPHs, I stayed at the YMCA in
Boston and in Detroit.  For another conference I stayed at a youth hostel.
All were within walking distance.  

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mink@cfa.HARVARD.EDU (Doug Mink, OIR) (07/24/89)

From article <391@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by buck@drax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Loren (Buck) Buchanan):
> If a student (or other non-funded person) really wants to go I suggest
> doing what I did for my first two SIGGRAPHs, I stayed at the YMCA in
> Boston and in Detroit.  For another conference I stayed at a youth hostel.
> All were within walking distance.  

The Boston International Hostel, at 12 Hemenway St. (617)536-9455, is
within easy walking distance of the Hynes Convention Center, as is the
Central Boston YMCA, at 316 Huntington Ave. (617)536-7800.  I'm not sure
whether the Y has rooms, and summer tends to be a high occupancy time at
the hostel.

Doug Mink

wrf@mab.ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) (08/08/89)

It seems that SIGGRAPH  could have done much more  for cheap housing  in
Boston.

1. About there  being few dorm  rooms: Boston has 250K students   in the
academic  year.  One would   think  that  there  would  have been  a few
thousand dorm rooms near public  transportation, perhaps at Simmons, BU,
etc.  Do all the places have summer schools to fill the dorms?

2. About the prepayment problems:  SIGGRAPH  shouldn't have to front the
money.   Let  the person desiring the  dorm   room  pay  the  university
directly.

3. About checking student status: Let anyone who wants use the dorms.

4. About the hassles of doing this: SIGGRAPH should absorb  it as a cost
of encouraging students into the field.  They shouldn't  get complacent:
just because there are a lot of  people in  the  field now  doesn't mean
there will always  be.  RPI has seen a  big trend away from graphics/CAD
in applications.  Now students want computer architecture.

In addition since  the dorms make so much  money on the deal, they might
be willing to help somewhat.  I stayed at an MIT dorm for a week in June
for the Computers & Math conference.  The dorm  people  seemed to do the
reservations themselves.  The cost was $45/day for single or $66/day for
double, breakfast and lunch included.   Unfortunately they wouldn't take
individual reservations for SIGGRAPH.

5. Cheap  hotels: SIGGRAPH  doesn't even  want to  deal with the cheaper
HOTELS, let alone  dorms.  My  travel agent   got me a   Howard Johnsons
adjacent to Fenway Park (15 minute walk  away) for $79, $50 cheaper than
the best SIGGRAPH could do.

Sending students to an occasional conference is an  excellent way to get
them wired into a field.  The leaders in any field less crowded than law
should help to encourage this.

SIGGRAPH  is already helping  a lot with the student  volunteer program;
I'm just suggesting a little more help.

(Please email replies to me as well as posting.)

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