[comp.graphics] Monochrome VGA problems

t-davidw@microsoft.UUCP (David Weigant) (11/27/89)

Hi, I hope you people can help me.  I purchased several VGA cards
and monochrome VGA monitors a few months back.  They seem to support
the resolutions of all the VGA modes just fine.  The problem is the
monitors will never display more than four shades of grey (including
white and black).  I have set to video modes that allow for 16 and 
256 colors (which work perfectly on my color system) but will not
display shades on the monochrome system.  Is there a register on the
VGA board that must be set in order to get the full range of shades.
It may be specific to the Trident BIOS on the VGA cards but I really
do not have a clue at this point.  I do have some software that will
specifically program the VGA card to 256 shades and this one piece
of software seems to work fine.  If anyone has any information
regarding this and possibly how I might work around it, I would be 
most thankful.

Oh, one other thing, I have a paradise 16+ VGA card, and it seems
to display all of the shades just fine.  This leads me to believe
it has something to do specifically with the Trident BIOS.

Thx a bunch,
David Weigant
Microsoft Product Support

  

brtmac@hobbes.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett McCoy) (11/27/89)

In article <9175@microsoft.UUCP> t-davidw@microsoft.UUCP (David Weigant) writes:
>The problem is the
>monitors will never display more than four shades of grey (including
>white and black).  I have set to video modes that allow for 16 and 
>256 colors (which work perfectly on my color system) but will not
>display shades on the monochrome system.

My guess is that you are trying to use monochrome monitors, and not
greyscale monitors.  When you use a monochrome monitor (such as any
tty level monitor I think) you can not take advantage of the analog
signals that the VGA board uses for producing the large number of 
colors that it does.  My Orchid ProDesigner and Magnavox Greyscale
VGA monitor give me what appears to be 256 shades of grey, although
VGA cards are only capable of producing 64 true greyscales.  Check 
your monitor.  If it doesn't say that it is a greyscale monitor, or
if it is a tty level monitor and not analog, then you probably will
not be able to get greyscales out of it.



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t-davidw@microsoft.UUCP (David Weigant) (11/28/89)

In article <4950@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> brtmac@hobbes (Brett McCoy) writes:
>In article <9175@microsoft.UUCP> t-davidw@microsoft.UUCP (David Weigant) writes:
>>The problem is the
>>monitors will never display more than four shades of grey (including
>>white and black).  I have set to video modes that allow for 16 and 
>>256 colors (which work perfectly on my color system) but will not
>>display shades on the monochrome system.
>
>My guess is that you are trying to use monochrome monitors, and not
>greyscale monitors.

It is a grey scale monitor, I know because it works with my Paradise
16+ card.  Also, it says in the documentation it is grey scale.

And, one piece of software I own will run with the proper number of
shades.

thx again,
David Weigant
Microsoft Product Support

gerten@uklirb.UUCP (Rainer Gerten) (11/28/89)

In article <9179@microsoft.UUCP> (David Weigant) writes:
>It is a grey scale monitor, I know because it works with my Paradise
>16+ card.  Also, it says in the documentation it is grey scale.
>
>And, one piece of software I own will run with the proper number of
>shades.
>

Some software tests the address of the video-buffer. Some BIOS-implementations
sets the buffer-address in dependance of the connected screen to A000, B000 or
B800 and the videomode to 2, 3 or 7. Before using your software you should
try the command MODE CO80 or MODE BW80. We had a similar problem with 
Smalltalk 80 and the monochrom monitor from IBM. After setting the VGA-card 
to color-mode everything was ok.

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