U.N.Owen@v7fs1.UUCP (U.N.Owen) (03/14/90)
>From vsi1!ames!horus.esd.sgi.com!thant Tue Mar 13 10:25:42 1990 >Subject: Re: U.S. HDTV STANDARDS DELEGATION SCUTTLES 1920x1080 COMMON IMAGE FOR >This isn't the place for this, but I can't stand it anymore. Hmmm.... Ok, but some people think graphics has a lot to do with HTDV ... poor suckers :-) ! Maybe all follow ups should be directed to rec.arts.tv ?? >industry as a whole. Who cares if the Japanese are better at >building chips? The U.S. still produces the best computers Many people in the industry do. Just because some companies are making money building computers, does not mean, everyone has to build computers and ignore the building blocks -- chips. I am sure, if only a few chips were at stake, nobody would have cared. But migration of whole industries ?? If I were you, I'd take a second look at that generalization! >It was the television industry got the fucking FCC >to shoot a lot of new technology development in the foot in order Hmmm.. FCC regulates EMI , that is Electro Magnetic Interference. Correct me if I am wrong, but without that the telephone near your computer terminal could have so much noise in it that you probably could not have a proper conversation. I am ignorant of whatever else FCC regulates besides EMI. I wonder what new technology development got shot in the foot just because FCC said so !:-)!. Don't tell me that american engineers are so dumb that they cannot conform to FCC standards!!! >(It's exactly as if the record industry outlawed CDs. The difference is that >the record industry didn't have an FCC to do it for them.) This is a very poor analogy. Building chips and making CDs are different in lots of ways. >Almost everything is invented here: Everything related to computers and technology perhaps, Yes. Remember the revolution in machines and technology really started in Europe and if you go back further in history some concepts originated in the far east also ! >because the government needs an enemy to use as a scapegoat Is'nt that a fact!. As always Yours truly Uncle Sam gets a goat :-) >thant Sorry for the ramble here, I do not know enough to contribute to the HDTV issue , but this article was just begging for some comments !! :-) Follow ups in email or perhaps rec.arts.tv ? -- ...ames!vsi1!v7fs1!U.N.Owen **** Aunt Agatha Where are you ? :-) ********
thant@horus.esd.sgi.com (Thant Tessman) (03/15/90)
In article <1999@v7fs1.UUCP>, U.N.Owen@v7fs1.UUCP (U.N.Owen) writes: > > >industry as a whole. Who cares if the Japanese are better at > >building chips? The U.S. still produces the best computers > > Many people in the industry do. Just because some companies > are making money building computers, does not mean, everyone > has to build computers and ignore the building blocks -- chips. > I am sure, if only a few chips were at stake, nobody > would have cared. But migration of whole industries ?? > If I were you, I'd take a second look at that generalization! U.S. industries shouldn't ignore chip making, they just shouldn't force the rest of the computer industry to subsidize them via trade restrictions and taxes. The point was that in attempting to save the chip industry, the U.S. could very well destroy its entire computer industry. > > >It was the television industry got the fucking FCC > >to shoot a lot of new technology development in the foot in order > > Hmmm.. FCC regulates EMI , that is Electro Magnetic Interference. > Correct me if I am wrong, but without that the telephone near > your computer terminal could have so much noise in it that > you probably could not have a proper conversation. I am ignorant > of whatever else FCC regulates besides EMI. > I wonder what new technology development got shot in the foot > just because FCC said so !:-)!. Don't tell me that american engineers > are so dumb that they cannot conform to FCC standards!!! At the insistence of the television industry, the FCC dictated that the HDTV format must be compatible with the current NTSC (Never Twice the Same Color) format. I think this was the missing piece of information that lead you to say all the rest of the stuff you said. It's not the engineers I'm down on. Far from it. It's the politicians who get bought out by industries. > > >(It's exactly as if the record industry outlawed CDs. The difference is that > >the record industry didn't have an FCC to do it for them.) > > This is a very poor analogy. Building chips and making CDs are > different in lots of ways. The analogy was meant to apply to HDTV and NTSC, not chips. > > >Almost everything is invented here: > > Everything related to computers and technology perhaps, Yes. > Remember the revolution in machines and technology really > started in Europe and if you go back further in history > some concepts originated in the far east also! The point here was that lack of innovation and new technology cannot be used as an excuse for the U.S.'s weakening performance in the consumer technology business. I appologize if I didn't make that clear. thant
wen-king@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (King Su) (03/15/90)
>gbrown@tybalt.caltech.edu (Glenn C. Brown) writes: <wen-king@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (King Su) writes: > <>[...] Our HDTV manufacturing industry, already heavily >>burdened by the large initial R&D investment and hindered by low consumer <>demand (due to high prices), will certainly collapse in no time. This >>kind of thing has happened several times in the past.[...] < >Examples? There will be no response to the challenge that I prove my knowledge of "this kind of thing has happened several times in the past," because: 1) It has no relevance to the on-going discussion. 2) There is no satisfying a nit-picker, and the serie of article to follow is of no general interest. 3) There are people more qualified to produce a proof than I am and I will surely make an ass of myself if I try. :-) -- /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*\ | Wen-King Su wen-king@vlsi.caltech.edu Caltech Corp of Cosmic Engineers | \*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/