djk@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Kelly) (11/07/90)
Does anyone have some anonymous ftp sites for .gif files? thanks in advance Doug djk@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson) (11/08/90)
In article <1990Nov6.210108.25434@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, djk@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Kelly) writes: > Does anyone have some anonymous ftp sites for .gif files? while this is not the best place for this, have you noticed that many sites that used to carry 'adult' gifs have either stopped or have restriced access so anon ftp'ers can't retrieve them. I don't want to start flames in this newsgroup and i can understand how it would be hard to defend to management why disk space and cpu cycles were used to store this stuff....BUT can anyone tell me where on the net who is keeping things like the DFG series and other 'adult' 800x600 256 color or higher gifs? ps - they certainly make good wallpaper :-)
hh2@prism.gatech.EDU (HAAS) (11/08/90)
I too, would like to know if there are any sites left, but I would also
like to add a question:
Why did they all go away, seemingly in unison? Was it just a natrual
occurence in the evolution of the NET and our society, or was there an
outside force involved?
hh
--
Harry Haas GTRI/RIDL/DB "What makes it DO that!?" - Bones
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!hh2
Internet: hh2@prism.gatech.edu hhaas@{gtri01|rmadsun}.gatech.edugt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (The Dreamer) (11/08/90)
In case you do not know, NSF has issued quite strong warning against sites which used to carry adult stuff.. Misuse of NSFNET has been cited as the cause.. This is my information...nothing to do with my opinion or views... TD. -- ----- I shall wait for you at Star's End
wls@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Bill Stapleton) (11/09/90)
In article <16658@hydra.gatech.EDU>, hh2@prism.gatech.EDU (HAAS) writes: > I too, would like to know if there are any sites left, but I would also > like to add a question: > Why did they all go away, seemingly in unison? Was it just a natrual > occurence in the evolution of the NET and our society, or was there an > outside force involved? Catch-22. They went away because their existence was mentioned on the NET and they were subsequently overwhelmed. Some of them were shut down simply because of the traffic, others had unwanted attention drawn to the content of the images. Virtually every site mentioned publicly to be carrying adult gif images has shut down or removed the images. So, the one good way to kill an ftp site is to mention it here... -- Bill Stapleton wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu uwmcsd4!wls
labman@ecr.mu.oz.au (Bruce Robertson) (11/09/90)
In article <16658@hydra.gatech.EDU>, hh2@prism.gatech.EDU (HAAS) writes: > > I too, would like to know if there are any sites left, ....> > > Why did they all go away, seemingly in unison? ...........> I would like to see all the GIF (and other formats) remain and no doubt they still exist all locked up. BUT we have a limited amount of resources, namely packet bandwith, especially internationally, which gets swamped with all the normal E-mail and News articles. Even if we take this underground, we are still limited by this resource, and the net administrators would soon cut the service from you. Buying our own underground link is fine, duplicating and existing service just for pictures is a little expensive There are several arguments against letting pictures onto the net. 1) Picture files are extremely large compared to normal text and mail. 2) Because of the size of images it consumes a great proportion of the net bandwidth, and what may be considered more legitimate users have longer delay on their very important work. (ie alt.sex, alt.sex.bondage, alt.sex.beatiality, alt.evil, rec.humour, rec.funny) ALL VERY IMPORTANT NEWSGROUPS. 3) The is the argument of copyright on the images, especially those taken from adult magazines and BBS services. I think that if the (C) notice is included in the border including the source of the image we have supplied a free advertising port for the original publishers. I dont see any legal ramifications coming out of this although the breech of (C) has occured. 4) The problem of minors getting to view this media is real although not a valid argument for its continued suppression, especially in the light of all those alt.sex.?????? newsgroups. 5) The international censorship of risque` come pornographic material is always going to have problems of degree of censorship that each country imposses, but again not to relevant in the light of alt.sex.?????? Finally all the GIF groups haven't left the net they still exist with "nice" pictures that a lot of us do use for use in texture mapping in graphics, so please keep these archives open as long as possible. I know I have rambled rapidly of the beam from the original posting, But the loss of a lot of the GIF sites has been basically due to the fact that most of these sites also supplied images from the alt.sex.pictures newsgroup, and secondly that the large size of the pictures do take a lot of the packet bandwidth on international links. A solution that may work for all is to have a main archive in each of the main hubs of each country on the net. These fully supported by their respective governments, such that these images can be freely exhanged within your own country. This also means that particular images considered by your countries censorship board can be removed and still have a large and happy image users society. This is just my 2cents worth And I know I have missed a lot of arguments. But I am a slob anyway. Regards Bruce Robertson | labman@gondwana.ecr.mu.OZ.AU Department of Engineering Computer Resources, | labman@128.250.1.63 C/o Faculty of Engineering, | Besides; It's not the Principle University of Melbourne, 3052. AUSTRALIA | of the thing, it's the money.
35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson) (11/09/90)
In article <5981@munnari.oz.au>, labman@ecr.mu.oz.au (Bruce Robertson) writes: > 1) Picture files are extremely large compared to normal text > 2) Because of the size of images it consumes a great proportion > of the net bandwidth > A solution that may work for all is to have a main archive > in each of the main hubs of each country on the net. Pixel images are large and in the interests of preserving international packets I have never FTP'd one from another country. The idea of having regional collections sounds good, esp if people knew which site was closest then traffic would be kept to a minimum. Access to 'adult' material could be limited to those specifically requesting access or in a separate clearly marked directory. Sites with Gifs get swamped precisely because people know they won't last.... i don't have a solution but i'd hate to see good quality gifs disappear from the net. They are certainly more useful than some of the activity...
phs265y@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (11/09/90)
In article <7686.2738946e@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson) writes: > > while this is not the best place for this, have you noticed that many sites > that used to carry 'adult' gifs have either stopped or have restriced access > so anon ftp'ers can't retrieve them. I don't want to start flames in this > newsgroup and i can understand how it would be hard to defend to management > why disk space and cpu cycles were used to store this stuff....BUT can > anyone tell me where on the net who is keeping things like the DFG series > and other 'adult' 800x600 256 color or higher gifs? > Yes, I think the network police have been active. In most cases of undemocratic authoritarianism, such as this one, there is usually a flourishing black market. Does anyone have any ideas ? Tony Hartin
35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson) (11/12/90)
> Yes, I think the network police have been active. In most cases of > undemocratic authoritarianism, such as this one, there is usually a > flourishing black market. Does anyone have any ideas ? since posting the article i have had several messages from people alleging that gif sites have been shut down by NSF officials and that a black market is alive. Addresses of such sites should not be publicly posted as this leads to shutdown. If anyone has addresses send them along to me....Maybe what we need is a mailing list...? I suggest cells of three....;->
guest@ssc-vax.UUCP (Temporary Guest Account) (11/20/90)
In article <67405.273ac57c@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, phs265y@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes: > Yes, I think the network police have been active. In most cases of > undemocratic authoritarianism, such as this one, there is usually a > flourishing black market. Does anyone have any ideas ? > > Tony Hartin Perhaps the simplest solution is to ignore ftp altogether. Try looking at some local BBS's. I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for. This also has the advantage of not adding to ftp traffic. Stephen Coy uw-beaver!ssc-vax!coy
ejy@cbnewsi.att.com (eugene.yurek) (11/24/90)
From article <16658@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by hh2@prism.gatech.EDU (HAAS): > > I too, would like to know if there are any sites left, but I would also > like to add a question: > > Why did they all go away, seemingly in unison? Was it just a natrual > occurence in the evolution of the NET and our society, or was there an > outside force involved? > > hh > -- > Harry Haas GTRI/RIDL/DB "What makes it DO that!?" - Bones > Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 > uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!hh2 > Internet: hh2@prism.gatech.edu hhaas@{gtri01|rmadsun}.gatech.edu Last time I checked, 'wuarchive.wustl.edu' still had lots of GIF files in the '/graphics' ftp directory. -- Eugene J. Yurek Internet: ejy@honasa.att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories UUCP: ...!att!honasa!ejy Holmdel, NJ Voice: (201) 949-3753
edward@twg.com (Edward C. Bennett) (11/26/90)
In article <1990Nov23.175519.27869@cbnewsi.att.com> ejy@cbnewsi.att.com (eugene.yurek) writes: >Last time I checked, 'wuarchive.wustl.edu' still had lots of GIF files >in the '/graphics' ftp directory. It won't much longer... -- Edward C. Bennett - The other MMDF guy edward@twg.com The Wollongong Group (415) 962-7252 1129 San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 "He's become a growling, snarling mass of white-hot canine terror"
roger@hpnmdla.HP.COM (Roger Petersen) (12/06/90)
It sounds like there's room for a new market to open up here: "Get 500 MB of the latest GIF images, now on CD ROM! Yours for only $19.95. Brought to you by Playboy and K-tel. Call 1-800-GIF-ME now! Operators are standing by..."