jeff@rtech.ARPA (Jeff Lichtman) (03/14/85)
I recently took a trip to Hawaii. Since I went alone, I stayed in hotel rooms with kitchenettes (eating alone in a restaurant depresses me). The following are my experiences with fish in Hawaii. I made a resolution to eat a different kind of fish for dinner every night. It turned out to be very easy. There are a *lot* of varieties of fish in Hawaii. Some of the types I had were: Mahi Mahi Marlin Ono (also known as wahoo) Ahi (Yellowtail tuna) Grey Snapper Nabeta Pananni Palani Jackfish Amberjack I didn't have a broiler either of my hotel rooms, so I baked some of the fish and fried the rest of it. The fish was very fresh, so I seasoned it with nothing but salt. If you can find ono anywhere, get it! It is one of the best-tasting fishes I have eaten. "Ono" is the Hawaiian word for "delicious". It has a fine texture without being either too firm or too soft. On the mainland it might be sold as "wahoo". The mahi mahi in Hawaii is better than what I have had in the San Francisco bay area. I had come to think of this fish as somewhat dry. What I had in Hawaii was moist and flavorful. Marlin is a very dull fish. It doesn't have much flavor, and I found the texture uninteresting. I decided when I was in Hawaii that tuna is ruined by cooking. Yellowtail is moist and tasty raw; cooked, it is dry and bland. Grey snapper was something of a surprise. I was expecting a variation of red snapper; grey snapper has a finer texture, isn't as firm, and has a different flavor from red snapper. I recommend this one. Nabeta is a tropical fish. I think the name is Hawaiian, and I don't know the English translation. The texture of this fish is unlike that of any other I've had. It's neither firm nor soft; it's sort of a combination between fluffy and chewy. The flavor is very good. The woman who sold it to me said that the fish doesn't have to be scaled: the scales "melt" when you fry it. I was chicken and scaled the fish anyway. This one is tied with grey snapper for the second best fish I had while I was there. I found pannini palani to be a little strange. Before cooking, the fish had an "off" odor (sort of a bile smell) that went away with cooking. It is very flaky, and the flavor is undistiguished. Neither jackfish nor amberjack impressed me very much. They are both firm, and have good but not great flavor. When I was on Kauai, I got most of my fish from J&R seafood in Lihue. They sell poke (pronounced pokey), which is a sort of Hawaiian sashimi. It is fish or seafood (usually raw) chopped and mixed with green onions and seasonings. One of the seasonings they use is kukui nut, which is a native Hawaiian nut, sometimes called "candlenut" because it's 40% oil content makes it burn like a candle when it is set on fire. I had ahi poke (made with raw yellowtail) and tako poke (made with cooked octopus). Both were delicious. On the big island I recommend the Suisun fish market in Hilo. This market is next to the place where they auction of the day's catch in the morning. I watched the auction; it's very interesting, and there were many types of fish I'd never seen before. Each day, the Suisun market buys some of the fish at the auction and puts it on sale. The prices there are very good (some fish sells for less than $1.00/lb.), and it is extremely fresh. -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) aka Swazoo Koolak
chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) (03/20/85)
In article <239@rtech.ARPA> jeff@rtech.ARPA (Jeff Lichtman) writes: > >The mahi mahi in Hawaii is better than what I have had in the San Francisco >bay area. I had come to think of this fish as somewhat dry. What I had in >Hawaii was moist and flavorful. mahi mahi is a delicate fish, and native to the warmer waters. Anything you might find in the mainland has to be frozen or iced and flown from hawaii, and it doesn't travel that well. sigh. One of the better fishes in the world (trivia-- for interesting references to mahi mahi (also known as the dolphin, as opposed to a porpoise) read Kon Tiki...). >Marlin is a very dull fish. It doesn't have much flavor, and I found the >texture uninteresting. overblown reputation because macho types like to spend hours watching a professional boatsman keep it on your hook for you... >I decided when I was in Hawaii that tuna is ruined by cooking. Yellowtail >is moist and tasty raw; cooked, it is dry and bland. Try poaching in wine. Try tuna in a fish stew. It really needs to be kept moist, but that doesn't mean you can't cook with it... one fish I tend to enjoy a lot that isn't well appreciated yet is shark. I discovered shark a long time ago, back when the mecury scares first hit the swordfish industry. A lot of fishermen started selling shark as swordfish, and I find now that I prefer shark. Most of the shark you can get in the markets (I forget what they catch for it, probably the grey shark) is BETTER than most swordfish-- firm, flakey, and mild. Barbeque over mesquite for a real treat, and lightly lemon... chuq -- Chuq Von Rospach, National Semiconductor {cbosgd,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA Be seeing you!
seb@ahutb.UUCP (s.e.badian) (03/20/85)
REFERENCES: <239@rtech.ARPA>, <2487@nsc.UUCP> Re: Chuq on shark Unfortunately, shark has become all too well appreciated! The price of shark these days rivals swordfish which makes it not very affordable. I prefer to seek out inexpensive types of fish. I've found monkfish to be delicious. It's ugly, but who cares if it's cheap. I've heard that skate is very good and very inexpensive, but I haven't managed to locate any yet. Alas my favorite types of fish are expensive - trout and salmon. Oh well, I'll just have to move to Washington State so I can try to catch my own! Sharon Badian
jayt@ssc-vax.UUCP (Jay T McCanta) (03/20/85)
> I recently took a trip to Hawaii. Since I went alone, I stayed in hotel rooms > with kitchenettes (eating alone in a restaurant depresses me). The following > are my experiences with fish in Hawaii. > > I made a resolution to eat a different kind of fish for dinner every night. It > turned out to be very easy. There are a *lot* of varieties of fish in Hawaii. > Some of the types I had were: > > Mahi Mahi Mahi Mahi is NOT a fish. It is a mammal - dolphin to be precise. How could you eat Flipper. > Marlin > Ono (also known as wahoo) > > The mahi mahi in Hawaii is better than what I have had in the San Francisco > bay area. I had come to think of this fish as somewhat dry. What I had in > Hawaii was moist and flavorful. > Sorry about the flame, but it somehow seems wrong to eat dolphins, mind if I pass? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't need a disclaimer, because no one will claim me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay McCanta Boeing Aerospace Kent, Wa.
stanford@ssc-vax.UUCP (Stanford N Payzer) (03/20/85)
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> Mahi Mahi is NOT a fish. It is a mammal - dolphin to be precise. How could
> you eat Flipper.
Some expert would be better qualified to address this, but it was left
uncorrected in an earlier net discussion. I have seen a fish in a tank
labelled "Mahi-Mahi" in the Honolulu Aquarium. The common English name for
Mahi-Mahi is "Dolphin-fish." The fish in question was less than a foot long
and looked like the deep sea fish which have bulging eyes and a giant toothy
mouth. The common english name is probably responsible for the
misunderstanding that Mahi-Mahi is the same as Dolphin. This may also,
however, cause some restaurants to sell dolphin under a false name so as not
to offend those who would rather not eat mammals.
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uw-beaver!ssc-vax!stanfordwetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) (03/21/85)
Just to set the record straight for the 10047th time, Mahi-mahi is NOT a mammel. The fish is a dolphin. There are TWO creatures named dolphin. The one you eat in Hawaii is a FISH. The other one is really a porpise and a mammel. Porpoises are protected under federal law and cannot be taken for commercial or sporting purposes. The true dolphin, a flat faced creature, very swift, and a good sporting fish is what you get in the resturants. The Feds do not look very kindly upon folks selling porpises for eating in public resturants. The dolphin is good eating while the porpise is not very tasty. The dolphin TASTES like a fish, the porpoise does not. Come on out to New Jersey this summer and we will go out and catch some dolphin when they are running. Then we will grill some up and enjoy. T. C. Wheeler
halle@hou2b.UUCP (J.HALLE) (03/21/85)
The mahi mahi is the Hawaiian name for the dolphinfish. This fish is NOT, repeat NOT, the same animal as the species of whale known as porpoise or dolphin. The mahi mahi is indeed a fish.
nemo@rochester.UUCP (Wolfe) (03/22/85)
> Mahi Mahi is NOT a fish. It is a mammal - dolphin to be precise. How could > you eat Flipper. > Sorry about the flame, but it somehow seems wrong to eat dolphins, mind > if I pass? > Jay McCanta Don't confuse the fish dolphin with the porpoise. The fish, mahi mahi, is a blunt-headed salt-water game fish usually about three feet long. Due to its name shared with the mammal, we sometimes did call it "Flipper's friend", but it is NOT the same. Look it up in a sports fishing book, such as "The Angler's Guide" if you are interested. And no, I wouldn't eat a porpoise either. Nemo
seb@ahutb.UUCP (s.e.badian) (03/22/85)
REFERENCES: <239@rtech.ARPA>, <535@ssc-vax.UUCP> NO, NO, NO!!! Mahi mahi, also known as dolphin, is not a mammal! It is a fish, a real honest-to-goodness fish. In fact, it has quite a reputation as a sport fish besides being some of the best eating around. If you go out and look in some fishing books under dolphin you will see a picture of a fish with absolutely no resemblance to Flipper. Just because it's called the same thing, doesn't mean it IS the same thing. Besides, the mammals are usually referred to as porpoises, not dolphins, even if some of them are named dolphins(like the bottle-nosed dolphin). Sharon Badian - amateur naturalist, and fishing enthusiast ihnp4!hocsp!ahutb!seb
chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) (03/24/85)
> Mahi Mahi is NOT a fish. It is a mammal - dolphin to be precise. How could > you eat Flipper. Speak not that which you know not.... Mahi-Mahi is another name for the dolphin, which is a warm water fish. The mammal dolphin is actually a porpoise, and is a different species entirely. You can find references to dolphins(mahi-mahi) in Thor Heyerdahl's 'Kon tiki'. You can find references to porpoises at Sea World. They are NOT the same animal, and most dictionaries would have kept you from making such a silly mistake if you'de checked out your comments before you opened your mouth.... *grin* chuq -- Chuq Von Rospach, National Semiconductor {cbosgd,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA Be seeing you!
jeff@rtech.ARPA (Jeff Lichtman) (03/25/85)
> > Some of the types I had were: > > > > Mahi Mahi > > Mahi Mahi is NOT a fish. It is a mammal - dolphin to be precise. How could > you eat Flipper. > > Sorry about the flame, but it somehow seems wrong to eat dolphins, mind > if I pass? > > Jay McCanta Mahi mahi is dolphinfish, which is a type of fish distinct from the mammal called "dolphin". When I was in Hawaii I saw some mahi mahi before they were dressed out. They have gills and scales. Don't worry. I wouldn't eat Flipper. -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) aka Swazoo Koolak
wong@rtech.ARPA (J. Wong) (03/26/85)
> > Some of the types I had were: > > > > Mahi Mahi > > Mahi Mahi is NOT a fish. It is a mammal - dolphin to be precise. How could > you eat Flipper. > > > Marlin > > Ono (also known as wahoo) > > Sorry about the flame, but it somehow seems wrong to eat dolphins, mind > if I pass? > > Jay McCanta There happens to be a fish that is also known of by the name "dolphin". I thinkthat this is what "mahi mahi" really is, not the mammal. -- J. Wong ucbvax!mtxinu!rtech!wong **************************************************************** You start a conversation, you can't even finish it. You're talking alot, but you're not saying anything. When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed. Say something once, why say it again. - David Byrne
connie@zaphod.UUCP (03/29/85)
> In article <239@rtech.ARPA> jeff@rtech.ARPA (Jeff Lichtman) writes: > > > >The mahi mahi in Hawaii is better than what I have had in the San Francisco > >bay area. I had come to think of this fish as somewhat dry. What I had in > >Hawaii was moist and flavorful. > > mahi mahi is a delicate fish, and native to the warmer waters. Anything you > might find in the mainland has to be frozen or iced and flown from hawaii, > and it doesn't travel that well. sigh. One of the better fishes in the > world (trivia-- for interesting references to mahi mahi (also known as the > dolphin, as opposed to a porpoise) read Kon Tiki...). > > -- > Chuq Von Rospach, National Semiconductor > {cbosgd,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA > > Be seeing you! Somehow the consumption of the flesh of an animal with the intelligence level of the dolphin borders on cannibalism in my mind. Surely the palate can make a few sacrifices!! DACS
jeffw@tekecs.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (04/02/85)
> > mahi mahi is a delicate fish, and native to the warmer waters. Anything you > > might find in the mainland has to be frozen or iced and flown from hawaii, > > and it doesn't travel that well. sigh. One of the better fishes in the > > world (trivia-- for interesting references to mahi mahi (also known as the > > dolphin, as opposed to a porpoise) read Kon Tiki...). > > > Somehow the consumption of the flesh of an animal with the intelligence > level of the dolphin borders on cannibalism in my mind. Surely the > palate can make a few sacrifices!! Undoubtedly the dolphin to which you refer is intelligent enough to realize that the mahi-mahi is a fish (despite the colloquial "dolphin" which it is sometimes called) and not particularly bright at all. Jeff Winslow
yamauchi@fortune.UUCP (Alan Yamauchi) (04/02/85)
In article <219@zaphod.UUCP> version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site fortune.UUCP version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site zaphod.UUCP fortune!amdcad!decwrl!decvax!bellcore!sabre!zeta!epsilon!gamma!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!alberta!sask!zaphod!connie connie@zaphod.UUCP writes: >> >> mahi mahi is a delicate fish, and native to the warmer waters. Anything you >> might find in the mainland has to be frozen or iced and flown from hawaii, >> and it doesn't travel that well. sigh. One of the better fishes in the >> world (trivia-- for interesting references to mahi mahi (also known as the >> dolphin, as opposed to a porpoise) read Kon Tiki...). >> > >Somehow the consumption of the flesh of an animal with the intelligence >level of the dolphin borders on cannibalism in my mind. Surely the >palate can make a few sacrifices!! > >DACS AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! Okay enough is enough already!!!! We need a filter for this group which is capable of throwing out all articles which refer to Mahi-Mahi as a dolphin of the class mammailia. This subject has been beaten to death the past few weeks and over and over again over the life of this newsgroup. Lets get on to other subjects and ignore these people who keep insisting that Mahi-Mahi ( alias dolphinfish ) is of the same class as a porpoise. Alan Yamauchi UUCP: {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd,hpda,sri-unix,harpo}!fortune!yamauchi DDD: (415)594-2436 USPS: Fortune Systems Corp, 101 Twin Dolphin Drive, Redwood City, CA 94065
thompson@oberon.UUCP (mark thompson) (04/02/85)
> Somehow the consumption of the flesh of an animal with the intelligence > level of the dolphin borders on cannibalism in my mind. Surely the > palate can make a few sacrifices!! > > DACS Oh SIGH! Not again. Please, please, read the message BEFORE you respond to it. This is 'dolphin (FISH) as ooposed to porpoise (MAMMAL)'. -mark -- [ Insert witty saying here ] uscvax!oberon!thompson