allen@gitpyr.UUCP (02/03/87)
I have an immediate need to be able to get files to/from a DEC micro-Vax running VMS 4.4 and DECNET from/to a UNIX system. The candidate UNIX systems are: SUN-3/160, APOLLO DN660, MASSCOMP MC5500, IBM RT-PC. All of the systems have ethernet. The solution must be software only as I need it by tomorrow. ANYTHING that can move files will be OK even if it is just an experiment you have been working on and even if it does not work perfectly. I am only moving TEXT files (LN03 print files). Any quick response would be GREATLY APPRETIATED. Please do not reply to this message after Feb. 5, 1987. Thanks P. Allen Jensen -- P. Allen Jensen Manager, Systems Division - GTICES Systems Laboratory Department of Civil Engineering - Georgia Insitute of Technology Atlanta Georgia, 30332-0355
bob@osu-eddie.UUCP (02/04/87)
In article <3019@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> allen@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (P. Allen Jensen) writes: >I have an immediate need to be able to get files to/from a DEC >micro-Vax running VMS 4.4 and DECNET from/to a UNIX system. Forget about DECnet. >The candidate UNIX systems are: SUN-3/160, APOLLO DN660, MASSCOMP >MC5500, IBM RT-PC. All of the systems have serial lines. >All of the systems have ethernet. Forget about it. See above. >The solution must be software only as I need it by tomorrow. Bit of a deadline, huh? Sounds like how much warning our faculty gives us sometimes :-) >ANYTHING that can move files will be OK even if it is just an >experiment you have been working on and even if it does not work >perfectly. Get copies of Kermit for VMS (either C or Bliss/Macro) and for UNIX (C); compile them, string a terminal cable betwixt the machines in question, and away you go. It's software-only, free, and widely available. You can get it via FTP or Bitnet from Cornell or via UUCP from okstate. Somebody local to you probably has it already. It even works, being quite mature, non-experimental, and well-debugged. >Thanks > >P. Allen Jensen You're quite welcome. I hope you get your answer in time. -- Bob Sutterfield, Department of Computer and Information Science The Ohio State University; 2036 Neil Ave. Columbus OH USA 43210-1277 bob@ohio-state.{arpa,csnet} or ...!cb{osgd,att}!osu-eddie!bob (614) 292 - 0915 or (614) 292 - 5813
egisin@watmath.UUCP (02/05/87)
This may get to you too late, but instead of kermit you could use tip (or cu) on Unix over a serial line to VMS. LN03 files will not contain strange control characters. If you are going from Unix to VMS you have to the set terminal you log in to on VMS to "/perm /altypahd".
jr@jrzsun.UUCP (02/06/87)
>In article <3056@osu-eddie.UUCP> bob@osu-eddie.UUCP (Bob Sutterfield) writes: >>In article <3019@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> allen@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (P. Allen Jensen) writes: >>I have an immediate need to be able to get files to/from a DEC >>micro-Vax running VMS 4.4 and DECNET from/to a UNIX system. > >Forget about DECnet. Not so fast. Sun does have a DECnet software product available today. For more info, contact your local Sun salesperson. JR.
gordon@cae780.UUCP (02/06/87)
In article <3056@osu-eddie.UUCP> bob@osu-eddie.UUCP (Bob Sutterfield) writes: |In article <3019@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> allen@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (P. Allen Jensen) writes: |>I have an immediate need to be able to get files to/from a DEC |>micro-Vax running VMS 4.4 and DECNET from/to a UNIX system. | |Forget about DECnet. | |>The candidate UNIX systems are: SUN-3/160, APOLLO DN660, MASSCOMP |>MC5500, IBM RT-PC. | |All of the systems have serial lines. | |>All of the systems have ethernet. | |Forget about it. See above. A non sequitor. We use the Ethernet hardware for communications between our VMS and unix machines constantly, using both ftp and telnet. There are more than one source of VMS versions of them. I doubt that there are VMS protocols available under unix (except that Vaxen running Ultrix can speak both DECnet and ftp/telnet and act as relays) since the protocols are FROM: Brian G. Gordon, CAE Systems Division of Tektronix, Inc. UUCP: tektronix!cae780!gordon [or gordon@cae780.CAE.TEK.COM] proprietary, but ftp/telnet under VMS is quite possible.
cdash@boulder.UUCP (02/06/87)
In article <3056@osu-eddie.UUCP> bob@osu-eddie.UUCP (Bob Sutterfield) writes: >In article <3019@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> allen@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (P. Allen Jensen) writes: >>I have an immediate need to be able to get files to/from a DEC >>micro-Vax running VMS 4.4 and DECNET from/to a UNIX system. > >Forget about DECnet. > from vax to sun is (for us) easy type in: telnet | tee savefile then : open grumpy (the terminal server name for our vax running vms) then : log in and type the file and log out then : edit savefile to remove the extrania the other way is harder. What would be nice is to have our kermit connect to telnet, but nobody here has figured out how to do that. We go the other way by kermitting from the sun to a small pc and then kermitting from the small pc to the vax.
stew@hanauma.UUCP (02/07/87)
>>> ... but we don't know how to connect kermit to telnet ... <<<
If you have pseudo-tty's, i.e. running BSD 4.2 or a derivative, you can
connect to telnet. The overall sequence is:
1) point "getty" at the slave end of a pty to enable logins
through the pty line.
2) point kermit at the master end of the pty and use the "connect"
subcommand to get a login: prompt.
3) login and telnet to whatever machine you want to talk to.
4) now you can start kermit on the other machine (usually as a server),
escape back to your local kermit and send or receive files at will.
On our Convex C-1 I use
#! /bin/sh
on ttyp9 # enables getty on pty 9
kermit -l /dev/ptyp9 -b 2400
off ttyp9 # disables getty on pty 9
(I also have a startup script for kermit to do the autlogin sequence but
that's a can of worms you're best off avoiding.)
(UUCP) ... decvax!hanauma!stew
(ARPA) ... na.levin@su-score.arpacampbell@maynard.UUCP (02/10/87)
In article <3423@cae780.TEK.COM> gordon@cae780.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes: > ... I doubt that there are VMS >protocols available under unix (except that Vaxen running Ultrix can speak >both DECnet and ftp/telnet and act as relays) since the protocols are >proprietary, but ftp/telnet under VMS is quite possible. Wrong - the DECnet protocols are not proprietary. They are publicly available, and anyone is free to use them to implement DECnet. A local company called Technology Concepts, Inc. (TCI) does that for a living. Their DECnet product is called CommUNITY; Sun just licensed it. TCI was recently purchased by Bell Atlantic, so you'll probably be hearing a lot more about their products now that they're stuffed with Phone Company cash. -- Larry Campbell The Boston Software Works, Inc. Internet: campbell@maynard.uucp 120 Fulton Street, Boston MA 02109 uucp: {alliant,wjh12}!maynard!campbell +1 617 367 6846 ARPA: campbell%maynard.uucp@harvisr.harvard.edu MCI: LCAMPBELL