mckee@mitre.arpa (H. Craig McKee) (07/09/87)
Request your assistance in identifying Unix systems that also support DOS or MS DOS. Please reply to me as I'm not a member of info-unix. Thanks in advance - Craig.
mckee@mitre.arpa (H. Craig McKee) (07/24/87)
In response to my query concerning Unix and DOS I received 19 replies;
also, 9 people asked for a copy of the results. I'm taking the easy
way out and posting the replies to this list. I want to offer a second
thanks to those who took the time to reply.
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From: ptsfa!jmc@Sun.COM
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
SUN has an integrated 286 board that will allow a DOS window.
AT&T 6300's run both with "Simultask".
There is at least one 286 PC product that support both.
I think that Microport V/386 supports both.
I hope this helps.
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From: howell%community-chest.mitre.org@gateway.mitre.org
Craig,
I know a company called "Oasis" makes a PC that (with an additional
board) supports both Unix and MS/DOS; they also provide a Verdix
compiler, and some "passthrough' tools that allow you to use Unix
tools on MS/DOS files and vice versa (e.g., you can use wordstar
and Verdix Ada on the same file). I don't know a point of contact,
but Paul Moscowitz or anyone else in sales at Verdix should be able to help.
Verdix: 378-7600. The product is called the "Oasis Platform", I think.
You may want to ask Paul Groff about PC/NFS; it's related, in the sense that
it makes Unix and PC filesystems seem to be connected...
Good Luck!
Chuck
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uni/3
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From: MARSELLE%gmr.com@RELAY.CS.NET
Look at Sun and Apollo; they both sell add-on boards that let you run DOS.
jim marselle
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uni/4
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From: henry@garp.mit.edu (Henry Mensch)
Try IBM's RT PC running AIX (not ACIS!) AIX is a SysV variant which
supports a PC/AT co-processor and (thus) can run DOS programs as Unix
subprocesses.
# Henry Mensch / <henry@garp.mit.edu> / E40-379 MIT, Cambridge, MA
# {ames,cca,rochester,harvard,mit-eddie}!garp!henry
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uni/5
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From: mckee%corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu@RELAY.CS.NET
Hi!
No doubt you'll receive a truckload of responses to your request,
but here are the two I'm most aware of.
Sun Microsystems supplies a DOS board that is installed in a SUN-3,
and a floppy-disk drive to sit beside its display. Their keyboard has the
10 function keys to the left and the 15 fkeys to the right of the main
key block, so that DOS software need not have nonstandard key mappings
to work. I've seen this demonstrated; it looked pretty good. I don't
know what kind of graphics card it emulates, or whether the sun mouse
can act like a Mouse Systems PC mouse. Having a DOStool window among
a desktop of SUNtools is very attractive, and the identical file transfer
functions of PC-NFS add a difficult-to-beat compatibility feature.
The other combination I've seen look good is DOS-Merge from
Locus Computing (Santa Monica, CA; 213-452-2435), which is distributed
by Microport and others. This lives in an a PC-AT or PC-386 running Unix
System V or Xenix. It comes in different versions for the 80286 and 80386
cpu's, and apparently gives you a "hot key" to switch between Unix and
MS-DOS; unlike Sun's single process, Merge 386 allows multiple MS-DOS
systems executing simultaneously. I can't speak from experience here;
I thought we had ordered a copy but we haven't received anything.
Hope this helps...
- George McKee
Software Coordinator
College of Computer Science
Northeastern University, Boston 02115
CSnet: mckee@Corwin.CCS.Northeastern.EDU
Phone: (617) 437-5204
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From: wiesel%DKAUNI0P.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
we are currently BETA-testing DOSMERGE of Microport Systems.
It is running under MP's UNIX System5/AT-286 on IBM/AT's or
Clones (I am using a EPSON EQUITY III+).
I've also played with a UNIX System 5.3 on a PRIME EXL-316 which
supports PC/DOS/MS/DOS as a task on any serial Terminal. I've used
LOTUS on a PRIME PT-200 Terminal connected to the EXL-316.
Regards
Joachim Wiesel
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uni/7
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From: Allan Doyle <adoyle@VAX.BBN.COM>
The two that come to mind immediately are Sun and Apollo.
They both sell 808x coprocessor boards for their machines that can be
shared around a network of users (one user at a time but that user does
not have to be at the workstation the card is at). Apollo just announced a
software-only version of this for occaisional use since it is slower.
Beyond that, a company I've been hearing about in the press is Locus, they just
got a contract from IBM to do UNIX (AIX) for the PS/2 and I beleive they offer
a DOS under UNIX.
Allan Doyle
adoyle@bbn.com
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uni/8
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From: harv%KSUVAX1.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu (Harvard Townsend)
The AT&T 7300 (Unix PC) has a DOS processor board option which allows
you to run MS-DOS along with Unix (the version of Unix on the 7300 is
a hybrid of BSD and SysV. Be sure to get version 3.5 instead of 3.0).
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Kansas State University, Dept. of Computer Science
Manhattan, KS 66506 (913)532-6350
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From: ptsfa!intsc!tomk@Sun.COM
Dos under UNIX is going to be (already is with prerelease software) from
several of the 386 AT vendors. Some of the one shipping today are
TeleVideo with their 386 workstations, MultiTech with the 386 AT, and
Bell Technologies with a 386 UNIX workstation. All of these machines
are running UNIX V.3.0 and have as an option either DosMerge from
Locus computing or DOS/IX from Interactive Systems.
If you want a more established workstation vendor Sun Micro is offering
an option that runs DOS with an add in board. I don't know enough about
it though to know what kind of compatibility problems they may have.
My suggestion would be to contact the vendors directly and have them send
you information on their products.
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And on a computer net you don't even have a voice..."
tomk@intsc.UUCP Tom Kohrs
Regional Architecture Specialist
Intel - Santa Clara
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uni/10
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From: John Hays <apollo!hays@EDDIE.MIT.EDU>
Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, MA
Apollo has a software emulation for it's product line (just announced).
Apollo also has a PC co-processor for its DN3000/4000 line.
John D. Hays, Consultant
Corporate Systems Engineering
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uni/11
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From: Richard Conner <bilbo.conner@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Check out DOSMerge from Microport - Unix system V with MS/PC-DOS
runnable as a process under Unix. Available for PC-ATs and
closely compatibles. Should also be available for 386 machines.
-Richard Conner
Locus Computing Corporation lcc.conner@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU
lcc.conner@UCLA-CS
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From: Bruce Becker <BECKER%HUMBER.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu>
"QNX" form Quantum Systems in Ottawa, Ontario makes a very useful Unix(R)-
like system for 80x86 machines... It comes in 2 versions, stand-alone and
network (using arcnet)... it has excellent real-time facilities as well as
complete resource (i.e. disk, terminal, printers, serial port) across the
network. They also provide a protected-mode versoin for 80286 machines.
Quantum Software Systems
215 Stafford Drive, Unit 104
Nepean, Ontario K2H 9C1
(613)726-1893
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uni/13
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From: Dana Myers <bilbo.dana@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Interactive Systems Corp. makes a product called VP/ix. It runs on an
80386 under System 5.3 Unix.
Locus Computing Corp. makes a variety of DOS/Unix products. The ATT product
known as SimulTask was developed by Locus; the product sold by Locus and
Microport as DOS Merge 286 is a direct implementation of the Simultask
product. This runs under Unix 5.2 (SVR2) on 286 compatibles. Beta is
available from Microport.
Locus also makes the primo 386 DOS/Unix product - Merge 386. This also
runs under Unix SVR3 on a 80386 machine - both the AT clones currently
available and the Multibus systems.
In all fairness - I work at Locus, as a senior developer on the Merge
products. I think our Merge 286 is great. Merge 386 makes the 286 product
look like a toy.
The 386 product allows the running of multiple ill-behaved applications
concurrently. Remote terminals (including things like the Sun River EGA
system) are supported. Ill behaved DOS programs can run in windows using
LX-Windows (a port of X-Windows). The Flight Simulator runs under Merge 386.
Beta has been shipping to OEMs since May.
You can contact our sales/marketing folks for price/availability info.
Also, note the recent IBM announcements concerning AIX/386 for the PS/2...
Dana H. Myers
Locus Computing Corp.
Santa Monica, CA
(213) 452-2435
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From: ucscc!tanj@ucscc.ucsc.edu (Michael Berman)
Xenix, a System V product sold be the Santa Cruz Operation
has some support for DOS. I understand that they are planning
to release a product called VP/iX which will allow XENIX users
to run DOS as a subtask. Their phone number is 408-425-7224.
Michael
(tanj@ucscc.ucsc.edu)
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uni/15
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From: Leach.WBST139@Xerox.COM
we are running AT&T version V.3 on a compaq 386. The disk is
partitioned in two portions, one running V.3 and the other DOS. We have
some communication software from interactive systems corp which allows
dos/unix file transfers.
ISC and locus both have a version of unix V.3 which allows running dos
in a window. Don't know much about that, but if that what you want let
me know. I can give you some names.
bye
Jim Leach
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From: dave@rosevax.rosemount.com (Dave Marquardt)
Organization: Rosemount Inc., Eden Prairie, MN
The one that I'm aware of is the AT&T 6300 PLUS running Simul-Task, which
allows you to run MS-DOC as a process under UNIX System V Release 2.
Dave
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uni/17
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From: Brian Gordon <gordon%cae780.cae.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET>
Organization: CAE Systems Division of Tektronix, Inc., Santa Clara, CA
Apollo has a "DOS co-processor board" and, I believe, shares file systems.
FROM: Brian G. Gordon, CAE Systems Division of Tektronix, Inc.
UUCP: tektronix!cae780!gordon [or gordon@cae780.CAE.TEK.COM]
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From: Mike Jipping <jipping%cs.uiowa.edu@RELAY.CS.NET>
SUN Microsystems has integrated a PC into their Unix system. Currently,
it runs as a separate application (you have to start it up from within
Unix), but rumor has it that a Unix/MSDOS operating system that accepts
both kinds of commands is in the works.
-- Mike Jipping
University of Iowa
Dept of CS
jipping@cs.uiowa.edu
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From: woutput@ji.Berkeley.EDU (Andrew Purshottam)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
It depends what you mean by "also". If you mean in two separate
disk partitions, with some sort of tools to move files back and
forth, and a re-boot needed to switch, then any IBM PC Unix, like
XENIX, PC/IX, V/AT should do the duty. If you want to switch
without re-boot, and have MS dos files a subtree of root, then V/AT
by uPort with the Merge/[23]86 option might be what you need. I
even heard of e demo by Locus corp that had a flight simulator
running (ever so slowly) inside of an X window, but I don't know
if they sell this. Non-X window Merge seemed to work ok with
occational crashes generallly related to the use of the graphics
mode by the DOS application, when I saw a beta a few months back.
(I was working for a clonemaker and we had early releases, don't
know if you can buy what I used).
I am told that sun has an IBM/PC emulator board for the 386, and
a network (2 machine) version of Merge is avail for Locus (that's
how a net company managed to get into screwy world of DOS/UNIX
interfacce in first place, I was told), but have never seen either
product.
Hope this helps.
--
Cheers, Andy (...!ucbvax!woutput woutput@ji.berkeley.edu)
(cond ((lovep you (quote LISP)) (honk)) (t (return ())))mmorse@note.nsf.GOV (Michael Morse) (07/30/87)
> Last week I asked for info on systems that run Unix and DOS. I received > 16 replies identifying about 10 different systems/configurations. > Paul Vixie, Esq. asked for a copy of the results, which I have sent. > > If you are also interested I'll send you a copy. If more than a few are > interested I'll edit the file (now 16,000 char.) and post it to this > list. I'm interested, please. mmorse@note.nsf.gov Thanks.
doris@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Doris Brust) (07/31/87)
Hi,
I'm also interested in the Unix & Dos machines. Please e-mail
me the info if you choose not to post to the net.
Thanks,
Doris
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Doris Brust
Computing Services Division
University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~walters%community-chest.mitre.org@gateway.mitre.O (Chris Walters) (07/31/87)
I would like a copy please. Thanks in advance.
-- Chris Walters Dept:W94 Rm:H6225 MS:Z644
The Mitre Corporation
McLean, Va 22102js07@bunny.UUCP (baggins) (08/07/87)
While browsing through the net some time ago, I came across an article that mentioned a "souped-up" version of UNIX called Mach, that is under development at Carnegie-Mellon. An industry watch group (Gardner Group, I believe) was speculating that this would be a powerful new Unix standard. Does anyone know anything about Mach ? What is it like, are versions available, does it cost an arm & leg to get a licence ? etc. If so, I'd really appreciate getting some email about it. merci b.baggins
gjc@rti.UUCP (Greg Clary) (08/11/87)
Please email the info. if you decide not to post. Thanks, Greg (gjc@rti.UUCP)