u@isis.UUCP (06/03/88)
Due to a small windfall, I am now able to afford a small computer. I want to be able to use the system to access the UNIX machines at school. My budget limit is about $800-900, so I figure on looking at the following systems: C64, C128, Apple IIx. My question is: what VT100 emulations are available if any for these machines? If not a VT100, what about other common terminals? Will they give true 80x24 lines? Thanks, Richard Neitzel
jbush@ficc.UUCP (james bush) (06/07/88)
In article <10383@udenva.cair.du.edu>, R.@udenva.UUCP writes: > Due to a small windfall, I am now able to afford a small computer. > ... My question is: what > VT100 emulations are available if any for these machines? I bought a modem for the C64/C128 (I own a C64). It had one emulator program for the 64 and 128, but it also had a vt100 program for the 128 only. I suspect, however, that there might be another vt100 emulator for the 64. I am not sure of the modem type, but it was a Commadore modem. -- James Bush, Ferranti, Houston Praise the Lord Internal address: jbush extension 5230, mail stop A/3204, room A/3602 External address: ..!uunet!nuchat!sugar!ficc!jbush
stuart@ihlpe.ATT.COM (S. D. Ericson) (06/08/88)
In article <10383@udenva.cair.du.edu>, R. Neitzel writes: > Due to a small windfall, I am now able to afford a small computer. > I want to be able to use the system to access the UNIX machines at > school. My budget limit is about $800-900, so I figure on looking at > the following systems: C64, C128, Apple IIx. My question is: what > VT100 emulations are available if any for these machines? If not a > VT100, what about other common terminals? Will they give true 80x24 > lines? Well, They have REAL troubles getting 80 columns, usually. How about a Toshiba T1000 Portable - they sell for about $800 mail order, and you can get some REALLY nice emulators for an (eech) MS-DOS machine. Heck, Kermit (public domain file-transfer/emulator program) not only has great VT100, but also a Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal mode - not bad for FREE. > Thanks, > Richard Neitzel No problems. Glad to be of (?) help. Stu P.S. VT is a trademark of Digital Equipment Corp., Toshiba and T100 are probably trademarks of Toshiba America, MS-DOS probably belongs to MicroSoft, and Kermit is a protocol (as well as a program) from F. Da Cruz of Columbia University. (Phew! :-) "OS/2 - An operating system half the time, or half an operating system all the time" -- Stuart Ericson USnail: AT&T Bell Laboratories USENET: ...!ihnp4!ihlpe!stuart IH 2H210 voice: (312) 979-4491 2000 N. Naperville Road Naperville, Il 60566-7033
goog@a.cs.okstate.edu (GOOG ??) (06/10/88)
In article <10383@udenva.cair.du.edu> R. Neitzel writes: >Due to a small windfall, I am now able to afford a small computer. >I want to be able to use the system to access the UNIX machines at >school. My budget limit is about $800-900, so I figure on looking at >the following systems: C64, C128, Apple IIx. My question is: what >VT100 emulations are available if any for these machines? If not a >VT100, what about other common terminals? Will they give true 80x24 >lines? > I use a C64 with a vt100 emulator on our UNIX machine all the time. There are two ways to do it, either check comp.sys.cbm and see if you can get either of the two vt100 emulators that are being talked about there (one is Kermit, the other I do not know the name of). Or, you can get a copy of VIP Terminal and write a terminfo or termcap (depending on which version of UNIX you run) that eliminates the need for a vt100 emulator. All of the mentioned programs will give you 80X24 lines. In addition, Kermit gives you Kermit protocol which you may or may not find you need. Good luck Steve Koinm Internet: goog@a.cs.okstate.edu 124 S. Duncan steve@nemo.math.okstate.edu Stillwater, OK 74078 UUCP: {cbosgd, ihnp4, rutgers}!okstate!goog Department of Mathematics Oklahoma State University -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All real programs contain errors until proved otherwise, which is impossible.
mwm@eris.berkeley.edu (Mike (I'm in love with my car) Meyer) (06/11/88)
In article <10383@udenva.cair.du.edu>, R. Neitzel writes:
< Due to a small windfall, I am now able to afford a small computer.
< I want to be able to use the system to access the UNIX machines at
< school. My budget limit is about $800-900, so I figure on looking at
< the following systems: C64, C128, Apple IIx. My question is: what
< VT100 emulations are available if any for these machines? If not a
< VT100, what about other common terminals? Will they give true 80x24
< lines?
An Amiga A500 + monitor will run you around $900. I've got a PD VT100
emulator that I run all the time (usually leave it running with a biff
behind my working screen when working locally so I get beeped for
mail). I get 80x48 lines, plus mouse support from GNU emacs (that
mimics the mouse support on the mg running on the Amiga). It may
stretch your budget a bit, but the extra functionality is could be
worth it.
<mike
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Punching, kicking, making noise mwm@ucbjade.BITNETdaveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (06/14/88)
in article <3014@ihlpe.ATT.COM>, stuart@ihlpe.ATT.COM (S. D. Ericson) says: > Keywords: VT100, emulation > Summary: Cheap Toshiba Portable > Xref: cbmvax comp.sys.misc:1618 comp.unix.questions:8368 > In article <10383@udenva.cair.du.edu>, R. Neitzel writes: >> Due to a small windfall, I am now able to afford a small computer. >> I want to be able to use the system to access the UNIX machines at >> school. My budget limit is about $800-900, so I figure on looking at >> the following systems: C64, C128, Apple IIx. My question is: what >> VT100 emulations are available if any for these machines? If not a >> VT100, what about other common terminals? Will they give true 80x24 >> lines? The C64 won't give you a real 80 column display; it's only capable of doing 320x200 pixels, so you're stuck with a maximum of 40x25 using 8x8 characters, though some terminal emulators give you 80x24 or 80x25 by creating very thin characters. Not something I'd recommend for long term use. The C128 has a built-in 80 column display that'll give you nominally 80x25 characters using an 8x8 cell. It hooks up to a standard IBM style RGBI (4 bit digital --> 16 colors) color monitor or a monochrome composite monitor. Some folks have managed to squeeze 760x600 or so pixels out of the C128 80 column display in interlace mode, but that's too flickery for normal telecom use. The C128 and C64 have the advantage of being able to use the dirt cheap Commodore 1670 1200 baud modem. This comes with a VT100 emulator for the C128 which isn't perfect, but is currently being fixed at Commodore. The disadvantage of either machine is that they don't work well beyond 1200 baud; the C128 might do 2400 OK with the right terminal emulator, but the C64 can just about handle 1200. I don't know much about the Apple II series these days, though you can get real close to an Amiga500 + Monitor + Modem for around $1000. It can use just about any monitor and any RS-232 modem. There are at least two freely-redistributable VT100 emulators which are good enough to run GNUmacs, uEmacs, VN, and CCalc without a hitch. I think the one called HandShake passes the complete VT100 test suite that was posted hereabouts a year or two ago. All Amigas can give you a fair 80-90 column display, which 25 lines non-interlaced or 50 lines interlaced (some folks don't mind this interlace flicker, some do). There are also more sophisticated and free telecom tools for the Amiga, like a VT200 emulator and some serial-line networking tools. -- Dave Haynie "The 32 Bit Guy" Commodore-Amiga "The Crew That Never Rests" {ihnp4|uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: D-DAVE H BIX: hazy "I can't relax, 'cause I'm a Boinger!"