dtynan@sultra.UUCP (Dermot Tynan) (09/02/88)
I don't know if this is the most kosher of subjects, but I'm curious...
What are the costs like for source or binary licences for BSD 4.? or
System V?? I'm not interested in a dollars and cents (ie correct to nearest
fraction of a cent) type answers, I'd just like a rough guess. I once heard
it cost $80K for a BSD source licence. How accurate is that? As far as
binary licences are concerned, I'm referring to a VAX 780-type machine. I
also read (in a _good_ book on UN*X by Waites), that AT&T turned a blind eye
to people having illicit copies of the source, as long as they didn't use it
for commercial gain. I find that hard to believe. That is a situation that
could get out of hand in a *hurry*. Oh, I almost forgot - what about source
licences for XENIX??? I don't want any nasty messages, or comments about it
being related to the *type* of licence. I'd just like an all-round average
number. Thanks in advance,
- Der
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or: Dermot Tynan, Ultrasystems DSI, Sunnyvale, CA 94089chris@mimsy.UUCP (Chris Torek) (09/02/88)
In article <2185@sultra.UUCP> dtynan@sultra.UUCP (Dermot Tynan) writes: >What are the costs like for source or binary licences for BSD 4.? or >System V?? ... I once heard it cost $80K for a BSD source licence. >How accurate is that? Not. To buy 4.3BSD-tahoe source code (the current Berkeley release), you must: a) sign Berkeley's contract, which says, in essense, that you may give away those things that Berkeley wrote, as long as you credit UCB; b) pay them $1500 (covers the manual pages, tapes, mailing fees, and the cost of the people needed to make distributions); c) present a copy of your AT&T source license, 32/V or later. The problem, naturally, is c). If you bought a 32/V license back when you could buy one, 4BSD source costs a mere $1500. . . . -- In-Real-Life: Chris Torek, Univ of MD Comp Sci Dept (+1 301 454 7163) Domain: chris@mimsy.umd.edu Path: uunet!mimsy!chris
bostic@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Keith Bostic) (09/02/88)
In article <2185@sultra.UUCP>, dtynan@sultra.UUCP (Dermot Tynan) writes: > I once heard > it cost $80K for a BSD source licence. How accurate is that? Not even slightly. Any significant expense associated with getting 4BSD results from having to have an AT&T source license, 32V or later. As AT&T will no longer sell you a 32V license, you have to buy the expensive System V ones. Once you have an AT&T license you can get 4.3BSD for $1000. Once you have 4.3BSD, you can get the latest/greatest, 4.3BSD-tahoe, for $400 (6250bpi) or $450 (1600bpi). Keith Bostic
dricej@drilex.UUCP (Craig Jackson) (09/03/88)
In article <25909@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> bostic@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Keith Bostic) writes: >In article <2185@sultra.UUCP>, dtynan@sultra.UUCP (Dermot Tynan) writes: >> I once heard >> it cost $80K for a BSD source licence. How accurate is that? > >Not even slightly. > >Any significant expense associated with getting 4BSD results from having >to have an AT&T source license, 32V or later. As AT&T will no longer sell >you a 32V license, you have to buy the expensive System V ones. Once you >have an AT&T license you can get 4.3BSD for $1000. Once you have 4.3BSD, >you can get the latest/greatest, 4.3BSD-tahoe, for $400 (6250bpi) or $450 >(1600bpi). > >Keith Bostic What Keith says is correct (it should be). But the catch is in getting the AT&T license; things from Berkeley have always been available for reasonable charges. AT&T today will only sell you a SVr3 license, and that's the only way to buy a 32V license. The 32V license cost $40,000 in 1980; the SVr3 license was $65,000 the last time I looked. SVr3.1 may be even more. These are commercial prices; the academic prices have at times been up to two orders of magnitude less. These are also single-machine prices. To put your source on two machines, you owe another fee (~$16,000). -- Craig Jackson UUCP: {harvard!axiom,linus!axiom,ll-xn}!drilex!dricej BIX: cjackson
woods@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Greg Woods) (09/03/88)
In article <25909@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> bostic@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Keith Bostic) writes: > In article <2185@sultra.UUCP>, dtynan@sultra.UUCP (Dermot Tynan) writes: > > I once heard > > it cost $80K for a BSD source licence. How accurate is that? > > Not even slightly. > > Any significant expense associated with getting 4BSD results from having > to have an AT&T source license, 32V or later. As AT&T will no longer sell > you a 32V license, you have to buy the expensive System V ones. Once you > have an AT&T license you can get 4.3BSD for $1000. Once you have 4.3BSD, > you can get the latest/greatest, 4.3BSD-tahoe, for $400 (6250bpi) or $450 > (1600bpi). Yeah, but when you add the price of that "expensive" System V license you just may be over that $80,000 ball-park figure. Last time I checked, it was ~ $72,000 CAN for SysV source. Probably in the $65,000 US range. I think Dermot was looking for the total price. Anyone know what the price of an original Unix 32/V commercial license was?
swilson%thetone@Sun.COM (Scott Wilson) (09/03/88)
>Once you have 4.3BSD, >you can get the latest/greatest, 4.3BSD-tahoe Can someone elaborate on 4.3BSD-tahoe? I haven't heard of it before. What are its origins and how does it differ from generic 4.3BSD? Does it come from Berkeley? Any significance to the name "tahoe"? -- Scott Wilson arpa: swilson@sun.com Sun Microsystems uucp: ...!sun!swilson Mt. View, CA
berry@askone (Berry Kercheval) (09/03/88)
In article <639@drilex.UUCP>, dricej@drilex (Craig Jackson) writes: > >These are also single-machine prices. To put your source on two machines, >you owe another fee (~$16,000). Do NFS mounts count?? :-) --berry
zjat02@apctrc.UUCP (Jon A. Tankersley) (09/07/88)
Latest I heard was $77,000 US for AT&T Source License. Couldn't believe my ears though... -tank- -- #include <disclaimer.h> /* nobody knows the trouble I .... */
treval@tauros.UUCP (Trevor Luker) (09/08/88)
g'day, if the current AT&T sources cost $77,000, what does it work out as in cents per bug :-) (or should that be milli-cents?) treval