funk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (09/16/89)
On our SYS V Rel 2 UNIX, we had nroff/troff Now, on Release 3, we do not have it. OUr vendor says that it really wasn't part of UNIX, that it was part of Documentor's Workbench, and that we'd gotten a freebie before that they don't have to give now. Is this for Real??? Please mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bruce Funk INTERNET: funk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu | |ACSEH, 21st TAACOM __________________________________________________| |Kaiserslautern, W. Germany | Any resemblance between me and reality | |(guesting on osiris) | is strictly coincidental | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
jeenglis@nunki.usc.edu (Joe English) (09/17/89)
funk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >On our SYS V Rel 2 UNIX, we had nroff/troff >Now, on Release 3, we do not have it. OUr vendor says that it really >wasn't part of UNIX, that it was part of Documentor's Workbench, and that we'd >gotten a freebie before that they don't have to give now. >Is this for Real??? I guess so. A good deal for AT&T; the Documenters Workbench costs bucks. Plus, no nroff --> no online man pages (also not included in SYSV) --> more people who can't easily RTFM and thus have to post to the net --> longer phone calls for uucp traffic --> AT&T wins again... Hmmm... Come to think of it, you pay for the call to get the Documenter's Workbench, too, if you order it through their electronic software distribution system. --Joe English jeenglis@nunki.usc.edu. PS: :-)
usenet@tons61.UUCP (Usenet News) (09/22/89)
funk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu writes: -On our SYS V Rel 2 UNIX, we had nroff/troff -Now, on Release 3, we do not have it. Our vendor says that it really -wasn't part of UNIX, that it was part of Documentor's Workbench, and that we'd -gotten a freebie before that they don't have to give now. -Is this for Real??? jeenglis@nunki.usc.edu (Joe English) writes: -I guess so. A good deal for AT&T; the Documenters Workbench costs bucks. -Plus, no nroff --- no online man pages (also not included in SYSV) -- more -people who can't easily RTFM and thus have to post to the net --- longer -phone calls for uucp traffic --> AT&T wins again... We have experienced the problem with our CCI Version of Unix. NO NROFF **AARRRGGHHH!** All the systems I have worked on (except for SCO) had nroff available. I guess AT&T and the powers that be feel that it's the next closest thing we'll get to a word processor. What I don't understand is when a company sells an office automation system that includes a word processor, and they also sell the UNIX for the machine, why can't they include nroff / "Documenters Workbench" as part of that package / "migration" ? (office automation package) Oh well, no BIG deal I guess... :-) I think any Unix OS should have at least a basic version of NROFF, even if it is hard coded with -man options. At least we can produce man pages... Bless CCI/ICL's soul, they seem to include the man pages when you purchase the 'C' Compiler but since I'm not the one who got the purchase order, I could be wrong. Meanwhile back at the ranch...I have to e-mail/uucp any nroff documents to some sites I have access to in order to format them and then send it back to print'em! Oh well... "If money is the root of all Evil, then does that explain why there are demons in Unix?" 8-) 8-) BTW: anyone have sources to the MS/PC-DOS version of ROFF or NROFF ? I have the binaries but don't have a time for a good debug session. 8-] Could port it to Unix....worse things have happened...8-] -- Harry Skelton - harrys@tons61, guardian@ugh
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (09/24/89)
In article <112@tons61.UUCP> harrys@tons61.UUCP (Harry Skelton) writes: -funk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu writes: --On our SYS V Rel 2 UNIX, we had nroff/troff --Now, on Release 3, we do not have it. Our vendor says that it really --wasn't part of UNIX, that it was part of Documentor's Workbench, and that we'd --gotten a freebie before that they don't have to give now. -jeenglis@nunki.usc.edu (Joe English) writes: --I guess so. A good deal for AT&T; the Documenters Workbench costs bucks. --Plus, no nroff --- no online man pages (also not included in SYSV) -- more --people who can't easily RTFM and thus have to post to the net --- longer --phone calls for uucp traffic --> AT&T wins again... -We have experienced the problem with our CCI Version of Unix. NO NROFF -**AARRRGGHHH!** All the systems I have worked on (except for SCO) had -nroff available. I guess AT&T and the powers that be feel that it's the -next closest thing we'll get to a word processor. Why are you guys wasting net bandwidth with all this unfounded guesswork? Documenter's WorkBench was unbundled from the rest of the UNIX OS package as of UNIX System V Release 2. Existing source licensees were granted DWB 1.0 licenses when they upgraded to SVR2.0 (offer now expired). DWB is available under separate license (DWB 2.0 is the latest release, and probably the last from AT&T). Some vendors provide DWB standardly with their version of UNIX; others provide it as an extra-cost option; and others don't offer it at all, in which case you could license it yourself. Porting DWB 2.0 isn't hard if you start with my version instead of AT&T's.