jonas@lkbpyr.UUCP (Jonas Heyman) (01/11/90)
A was wondering how I could get a program or get in touch with an anonymous ftp. I have the adress 128.42.1.30 titan.rice.edu titan But how do I get there ? Thanks Jonas -- jonas@lkbpyr.lkb.se
ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi LASK) (01/11/90)
In article <408@lkbpyr.UUCP> jonas@lkbpyr.UUCP (Jonas Heyman) writes: >A was wondering how I could get a program or get in touch with >an anonymous ftp. >I have the adress 128.42.1.30 titan.rice.edu titan >But how do I get there ? This should give the general idea to you and other users who may have a similar query: ------------------- begin prerecorded message ---------------------- From: Prof. Timo Salmi (Anon. ftp site 128.214.12.3) School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: vakk::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun There are some frequently asked questions about the programs available from chyde.uwasa.fi, by anonymous ftp, from the /pc/.. directories here at the University of Vaasa, Finland, site 128.214.12.3. Below you will find many of them prerecorded with answers. Please notice that the questions & answers are not in any logical order. The order has more or less been dictated by the arriving questions. And, there is overlapping. ................................................................... Anonymous ftp site chyde.uwasa.fi 128.214.12.3 is moderated by Timo Salmi ts@chyde.uwasa.fi PC directories /pc/pd2 and /pc/ts Harri Valkama hv@chyde.uwasa.fi PC and Mac files, and uploads Hannu Hirvonen hh@chyde.uwasa.fi VAX/VMS, Unix, system manager ................................................................... 1. ***** Q: I do not understand this getting files with anonymous ftp. What does it mean? A: Ftp stands for file transfer program, which is a standard feature in many mainframe Unix and VAX/VMS systems. It also means that you must have a network connection to reach University of Vaasa. Please contact your computer's system manager for more information on the connection. When this is ok, just follow the instructions in the Appendix at the end of this prerecorded message. 2. ***** Q: Many of us users have no ftp access. Would you please send programs to me by email. A: Sorry. The reply to this frequent query is a definite no. There is so much demand for programs that providing this kind of service would simply get out of hand. But see also the Q&A on file servers. 3. ***** Q: Why announce programs in the comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d newsgroup when many users do not have the ftp capability? A: Look at it this way. I know this is a problem. In fact I had an interesting and lengthy email discussion with one user about this dilemma. Let me put forward my own view about c.b.i.p.d. I feel that the primary purpose of a group like this is (or should be) to disseminate and exchange useful information about PC programs. A secondary purpose is to exchange information about getting files. In getting the files there are four major alternatives, that is posting in binaries, ftp, emailing between users, and BBSes. What this amounts to is that even if you do not have the ftp capability, the information may give you usefuls hints what programs to look for via the many alternative methods of getting the files. 4. ***** Q: Do you announce all your new programs in c.b.i.p.d? A: No, with the exception of the programs in the /pc/ts directory we have only announced programs that we have felt particularly interesting for one reason or another. One reason for this is to diminish traffic by avoiding duplicating the information sent out by Simtel20. This is because very many of our programs are available at both (and many other) sites. Incidentally, this does not imply that all programs announced by Simtel20 will automatically be available at our site, nor vice versa. 5. ***** Q: I have the ftp (file transfer program) capability and a network access that includes your 128.214.12.3 site. But how do I transfer the files? What are the commands? A: The information and examples in the appendix (see below) should enable you to get the files. 6. ***** Q: I have received the programs but the package is corrupt. When I try to unpak them with my unpacking program (pkxarc, pkunpak, arc, etc.) the unpacking fails or produces files that lock my PC. A: This is almost always due to the failing to transfer the files correctly from your mainframe to your PC. Please see the latter part of the appendix for more information. 7. ***** Q: I would rather like to get the files from Simtel20 since I have an easier access there. Send me a list telling in which directories the files are in Simtel20. A: We are very often asked this (and other) information about Simtel20. We do like to cooperate with Simtel20, but nevertheless this is really something you should find out from Simtel20, not us. Here is an edited extract from Simtel20, which you might find of interest: The index of SIMTEL20 MSDOS files, with descriptions, is PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMIBM.IDX. An archived version of the same file is in PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMIBM.ARC. Messages about system problems, FTP problems, and network problems should be directed to ACTION@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. Messages about files in the MSDOS collection should be directed to w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL. 8. ***** Q: Do you have a guest user-id? I cannot ftp, but I can reach your site through the net. I type anonymous at the login: and then try to give my email address at the Password:. I am not let in, but get a "Login incorrect" message instead. A: We do not accept guest users. This means that what you tried, is not allowed at our site. The only way you can get connected to our system is using the true ftp system, which is described in the appendix. 9. ***** Q: I now have the files, but they have this .arc (or .lzh, .pak, .zip, .zoo) extension and they won't run then I write their name at my DOS prompt. A: The files are packed (also often called archived) entities. These are special formats of compressing files and packing several files together. This is usually standard knowledge for PC users, and if you are not familiar with the system, just ask a knowledgeable fellow user. What you need is the proper unpacking programs such as ARC, PKXARC, PKUNPAK, PAK, LHARC, ZOO and so on. 10. ***** Q: Please, tell me how to get the files sent to me using file-servers. A: I know very little about file servers, and I cannot answer questions concerning them. I know that we do not have a fileserver or any other system at our site that would email the files upon request. I also know that Simtel20, who have many of the same files, can be sent file requests. The following edited extracts should give some direction: "WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL can be accessed using LISTSERV commands from BITNET via LISTSERV@NDSUVM1, LISTSERV@RPIECS, LISTSERV@FINTUVM and in Europe from EARN TRICKLE servers. Send commands to TRICKLE@<host-name> (example: TRICKLE@TREARN). The following TRICKLE servers are presently available: AWIWUW11 (Austria), BANUFS11 (Belgium), DKTC11 (Denmark), DB0FUB11 (Germany), IMIPOLI (Italy), EB0UB011 (Spain) and TREARN (Turkey). Messages about problems with BITNET or EARN file servers should be directed to the system administrator at the server location. SIMTEL20 does NOT run these servers. I (Keith Petersen) have frequently posted instructions on how to get files from SIMTEL20 via listserv@vm1.nodak.edu. You can get a file by sending an email message to: listserv@vm1.nodak.edu In the body of the message say, for example, this: /PDGET MAIL PD1:<MSDOS.GRAPHICS>VGAIMG12.ARC UUENCODE Do not include a signature because it confuses the server." 11. ***** Q: I have made some programs myself which I think might be of general interest. Would it be possible to upload them to your system. A: Yes, we are certainly interested in all quality programs. (A proper documentation is one of the prerequisites). Please contact Harri Valkama hv@chyde.uwasa.fi for more information. 12. ***** Q: Is there a description of the programs? I would like to have some information on the files before I start transferring them. A: Yes, certainly. This approach is even recommended. There is a a 00read.me file of general information, and a file called 0contents which has a general description of the files. Also see 0directory.list. Furthermore, directories /pc/pd2 and /pc/ts have 0contents files of their own. They both also have a 0news file which has news on updates and such information. Finally there is a /pc/ts/tsarcxxx.txt (where xxx stands for a changing version number). It contains more detailed information on the contents of each of the packages in the /pc/ts directory. 13. ***** Q: I sent you a message a couple of weeks ago. Did you receive it? Why don't you reply? A: I try to reply to all queries I have received. But getting the reply to you successfully is not always technically possible. The reason for this is, that the reply address which the mail program gives, is sometimes not adequate. My reply bounces back to me as a consequence. Therefore you should include your InterNet and/or BitNet address in your message. Using proper signatures in email is customary, anyway. This does not guarantee a successful reply, but it definitely increases the possibility of getting an eventual reply. 14. ***** Q: When I try to unpack the package I get something like an "unknown packing method" error message. What is wrong. A: First check that you are using the correct unpacking program by looking at the extension of the file name, and select the unpacking program accordingly. If this does not help, you are most likely using an outdated version of the relevant unpacking program. Get the latest version. The pc/pd2 directory has a good collection of these tools. ***** APPENDIX: Obtaining the Programs ================================ You can obtain the file(s) from chyde.uwasa.fi (128.214.12.3) using the InterNet ftp (file transfer program) with username "anonymous". For a login password use your electronic mail address. If you are using ftp from a VAX/VMS system, set case lower before proceeding. Consider as an example the programs of Timo Salmi. The files are in directory /pc/ts. At the ftp> prompt first type binary (for binary files). To go to the relevant directory apply cd /pc/ts. To see its contents apply ls or dir. To download a file, use get filename or mget filenames. The files have been packed with PKPAK so you will need PKUNPAK from PKWARE to unpack them in your PC. The following contains the same information by giving the commands needed for transferring vaasa.inf (contains text on Finland, Vaasa, and University of Vaasa) and tspfon29.arc as an example. In the example its is assumed that you are calling from a Unix system. The usage for a VAX/VMS system is quite similar. It is recommended that you first get the file 0contents for more information. ftp #Invoke the file transfer program open 128.214.12.3 #Connect to chyde.uwasa.fi at the University #of Vaasa anonymous #Use this name to get temporary privileges Give your email address as your password cd /pc/ts #Go to the relevant directory dir #Directory of available files ascii #vaasa.inf is an ordinary text file get vaasa.inf #Copy the file to your default directory binary #tspfon29.arc is a binary file mget tspfon*.arc #mget allows wildcards close #Terminate the connection quit #Quit the file transfer program Transferring the Programs to PC =============================== After you have received the files to your host, there still remains the task of transferring the programs to your PC. This is familiar to most users, but occasionally there are problems. It impossible to give advice that would cover resolving all the difficulties, but the most common can be described. The most usual file transfer method between the host and the user's PC is MsKermit. (Z-modem and others may be used as well, but I would guess that most often persons using these alternatives are advanced users, and can resolve any problems by themselves.) The most common problem is probably that after getting a packed file to one's PC, the file appears damaged. Almost always this is due to failing to set correctly the MsKermit parameters in BOTH ends of the transfer. What you have to do is in your host MsKermit to set file type binary, set parity even (or none or whatever), and in your PC MsKermit you must have the SAME parity you set for your host (select host MsKermit parity on the basis of your PC's). If you fail to get these compatible, the transfer will not result in what you want. Transferring text files does not lead to problems so often. The trick is set file type text (or ascii depending on your MsKermit version). Finally, if nothing else, absolutely nothing else(!), seems to resolve the problem, please let us know, and we will check that the file at our site is good and proper. -------------------- end prerecorded message -----------------------
root@csoftec.csf.com (Cliff Manis (cmanis@csoftec)) (01/12/90)
In article <408@lkbpyr.UUCP> jonas@lkbpyr.UUCP (Jonas Heyman) writes: >A was wondering how I could get a program or get in touch with >an anonymous ftp. >I have the adress 128.42.1.30 titan.rice.edu titan Jonas: Here is a very short script and sample of a datafile which I use all the time in connecting via FTP. # getftp.sh # By: Cliff Manis, cmanis@csoftec.CSF.COM # GETFTP=$HOME/getftp3.dat ftp 128.42.1.30 < $GETFTP exit 0 # below is a sample file of $HOME/getftp3.dat file log anonymous HCSCM@altos.af.mil type image quote "type L 8" list / root.dir list /pub pub.dir get /pub/filename filename.here bye /////end of the data file/// Note: The datafile above will get you a dir listing of / and /pub and also download a file /pub/filename to your system as filename.here in your current directory. Hope you can use this... cliff _ Cliff Manis K4ZTF \`-o-'/ \-A-/ |-*-| )-=-( ARPA: hcscm@afbs.af.mil ~*~ _____/""Y""\_____ INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com `-o-o-=\_|_/=-o-o-' UUCP: {swrinde|texbell}!csoftec!cmanis Unix & Xenix today for a better tomorrow ~*~ -=0=- --> Mail Server: csoftec.csf.com!listserv --> Send mail with "send help to yoursystemid!username" as body of msg. -
jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) (01/15/90)
In article <565@csoftec.csf.com>, root@csoftec.csf.com (Cliff Manis (cmanis@csoftec)) writes: > In article <408@lkbpyr.UUCP> jonas@lkbpyr.UUCP (Jonas Heyman) writes: > >A was wondering how I could get a program or get in touch with > >an anonymous ftp. > >I have the adress 128.42.1.30 titan.rice.edu titan > > Jonas: > > Here is a very short script and sample of a datafile which I use all the > time in connecting via FTP. > > # getftp.sh > # By: Cliff Manis, cmanis@csoftec.CSF.COM > # > ... It may have been a good idea for you to check the source address of the original question before posting your response. Since he was posting from a UUCP machine without an Internet address (or at least, without an Internet address that was evident in his posting), it is entirely likely that the original poster does not have Internet access. Therefore, he probably can't use ftp at all to get to any Internet machine, which means that your script, while it may be helpful, did not answer his question.... Jonathan Kamens USnail: MIT Project Athena 11 Ashford Terrace jik@Athena.MIT.EDU Allston, MA 02134 Office: 617-253-8495 Home: 617-782-0710
peterson@FSUCS.CS.FSU.EDU (Eric J Peterson) (01/15/90)
In article <1990Jan15.031948.17322@athena.mit.edu>, jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes: | | In article <565@csoftec.csf.com>, root@csoftec.csf.com (Cliff Manis | (cmanis@csoftec)) writes: | > In article <408@lkbpyr.UUCP> jonas@lkbpyr.UUCP (Jonas Heyman) writes: | > >A was wondering how I could get a program or get in touch with | > >an anonymous ftp. | > >I have the adress 128.42.1.30 titan.rice.edu titan | > | > Jonas: | > | > Here is a very short script and sample of a datafile which I use all the | > time in connecting via FTP. | | It may have been a good idea for you to check the source address of | the original question before posting your response. | | Since he was posting from a UUCP machine without an Internet address | (or at least, without an Internet address that was evident in his | posting), it is entirely likely that the original poster does not have | Internet access. Just because Jonas has a .UUCP suffix in his address doesn't mean that he is without FTP ability. By default, RN sets the "Reply-To:" field to "%L@%H.UUCP (%N)", where %L is expanded to the poster's login ID, %H is expanded to the name of the host, and %N is expanded to the poster's full name. The SA is free to change these defaults before compiling RN. Of course, the SA is also free to leave them alone. If Jonas is on an Internet site, the methods mentioned previously for anonymous FTP should work normally. If Jonas is on a UUCP system, he should still be able to use the anonymous FTP mail gateway on pucc.princeton.edu, although I cannot remember offhand how (or how well) it works. Could someone who has used this system please post the technique here or send me mail about it? Hope this helps. Eric -- . |~~ _O_) Eric J. Peterson ... peterson@{nu,fsucs}.cs.fsu.edu ( X FSU CS Technician // 011 Love // Work: 904-644-2296 // Home: 904-576-3318 _/ \_ echo "This is not a pipe." | lpr -P laserwriter