KOSSACKB@RICEVM1.BITNET (Jordan Kossack) (06/11/90)
In many recent articles, Dan KoGai [ dankg@ocf.berkeley.edu ] complains about UNIX security. He also flames many persons on the net because HIS SYSADMINS don't use shadow password files. Maybe, just maybe, he should reserve his #@*! hostility for the folks at HIS site. I don't work for the Peoples Republic of Berkeley so it's not my fault nor is it my problem. If you don't like the way UNIX implements `security' maybe you should try to get an account on a machine that runs VM and work in VNIX. Dan KoGai says [ in response to an article by Jonathan Kamens ] : if you stop me or people like me from what you call flaming, Give us secure system for first place so I don't have to post something like this anymore, period! WHAT ??? Excuse me, but Mr. Kamens is at MIT. Please explain why HE is expected to provide a `secure system' for someone at UCB. Well? Then Dan KoGai says: to convince you protected with UNIX experts. How many victims do we need to convince you guys that today's UNIX needs major upgrade of secirity? Well, even after Stockton Masscare, this country allows us to have guns without any lisence. maybe asking Americans for secirity is never secure enough for 1st place. Hmmm, guns without lisence [sic] have no relation to UNIX security. The Constitution of The United States guarantees the right to bear arms, but makes no such guarantees regarding computer security. On the other hand, NO ONE on the net(s) is stopping you from buying your own computer and making it as secure as you desire. Go ahead! We don't care! What annoys folk is when you blame them for problems with a system they neither use nor administrate. Why do you blame Mr. Kamens of MIT Project Athena for `poor security' at ocf.berkeley.edu ??? If you don't like the security at your site, DO SOMETHING about it, don't whine on the net(s). Thanks. ------- Jordan Kossack | kb5max | Student Staff ----------------+----------+ Office of Networking and Computing Systems KOSSACKB@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU | Rice University Houston Texas