[net.music] What are BMI and ASCAP

jvs@iwu1d.UUCP (06/03/83)

Can someone tell me exactly what BMI and ASCAP are?  I have been seeing
thest names on records all my life.  Every song on every record is
associated with one or the other.  Also, why are these the only two.

					Thanks in advance

					  John V. Smith

paul@uofm-cv.UUCP (06/03/83)

Broadcast Music, Inc. and American Society of Composers, Authors and
Publishers.

I was in the musicians' union once, I believe that is what the
initials stand for.  ASCAP, for example, was started by Victor Herbert,
of Babes in Toyland fame, when he realized people could play his music
with no recompense for himself.

The organizations monitor radio and TV broadcasts, as well as live
performances, in order to determine royalites, etc.

jwb@mcnc.UUCP (06/06/83)

ASCAP predates the widespread use of broadcasting while BMI was started
because of dissatisfaction with ASCAPS methods of determining royalty
payments.  As of a few years ago, ASCAP used sales figures while BMI used
actual radio air play.  An ASCAP or BMI audit is often a big deal to a
radio station.  ASCAP audits the books and sets a fee for a given station.
The money is then divided up according to music and record sales figures.
BMI usually does less auditing of a station's books but provides a form
on which a disk jockey is supposed to write down performer, selection title,
composer, etc.  This occurs for a few days every year (and is a real pain).
BMI also tape records stations on a spot basis to check the validity of
what is written.  Disk jockeys who have friends who are composers usually
make sure they dig out those selections during an audit period as this
affects the earnings of their friends.

Jack Buchanan
duke!mcnc!jwb

larry@grkermit.UUCP (06/08/83)

Does anybody know whether non-profit college radio station have
to pay royalties to BMI/ASCAP.


-larry

lipp@ccvaxa.UUCP (06/12/83)

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ccvaxa!lipp    Jun 10 19:22:00 1983

Response from "jwb" takes care of the usual broadcast "royalties" .
BMI and ASCAP (my stuff goes through BMI) also will collect "royalties"
payments from musical organizations, festivals, and general live (non-
broadcast) performances.  The composer (me, in this case) reports a
performance of his composition to BMI and they collect from the performing
group or in many cases the sponsoring organization.  These groups/organiza
tions have budget monies set aside to cover this fee.  BMI collects for 
performances with a minutes of music --times-- concert hall size --times-- 
mystery multiplier.  For us little guys, BMI sends us a check every Jan.
They'll also cover live performances outside North America.

What does it all mean?.......
example:  I had a fifteen minute piece played at a festival in Helsinki.
	  Two years later BMI sent me $130.
	  Not bad you say....., but the piece took me "full time work"
				    for six weeks (what's $$/hr.?)