dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale A. Weber) (05/02/90)
tbetz@upaya.lilink.COM (Tom Betz) writes: > Bad points: > > C compiler only generates 8086 code (I hear they are working on > 386-specific versions), no SCSI support, EMACS is default > fullscreen editor, no vi. Add to this, no full UUCP support. No cu, uuxqt, uusnap, etc. listed in their command list which I just received. Only the uucp command is listed, and this is what they say is UUCP support. I don't think so... Dale -- UUCP: ..!tektronix!tessi!twiki!dalew (Watch this space for changes!) ..!{ogicse, sun!nosun}!{bucket, qiclab, tessi}!twiki!dalew BBS: +1(503)239-4960, 24 Hours, 1200/2400 Bps MNP 1-5, PCPable via ORPOR
parsnips@dasys1.uucp (David Parsons) (05/04/90)
BYTE magazine for May, 1990 had an advertisment for a 'virtual clone' of
UNIX (including UUCP, LP, a Borne shell, and an unlimited number of
users) for $99.95.
Anybody have any experience with this product? (or, anybody have any good
rumors??) It's from Mark Williams, I believe a respected name in the
field... I'm VERY tempted.
David Parsons
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..!cmcl2!{ccnysci,cucard,hombre}!dasys1!parsnipsspringal@hsi.UUCP (Rob Springall) (05/05/90)
In article <1990May4.003555.25539@dasys1.uucp> parsnips@dasys1.uucp (David Parsons) writes: >BYTE magazine for May, 1990 had an advertisment for a 'virtual clone' of UNIX >for $99.95. > >Anybody have any experience with this product? (or any good rumors??) It's >from Mark Williams, I believe a respected name in the field. I'm VERY tempted. I got too tempted and I picked up the phone and ordered a copy. It will be shipped in two to three weeks. Here are some of the details from their ad and the sales rep I spoke with: - Complete C compiler - Source code compatible with other *ix's (NOT object code compatible) - Includes Yacc, Lex and Awk - Includes UUCP, Mail and Usenet (news) progs - Supports Trailblazers - Can access DOS disks - Comes on five (5) diskettes (either 5.25" or 3.5") - 10 meg suggested disk space - Can run in a minimum of 640K - 64K kernel size - 60-day money-back guarantee Things I don't know: - Whether or not (as according to rumor) the C compiler only does 8086 code and the small memory model - If the C compiler can be used to compile DOS .EXE's (like SCO Xenix) - If there are plans to include a DOS compatibility box. As of now, it will "access" DOS disks. - What shells it comes with (outside of the Bourne shell). I would like the C shell and the Korn shell would be nice. - Whether that "suggested" 10 meg of disk space holds a full system or just a stripped version. - The amount of support for modems other than Trailblazers (if I had to wait for a $99 Unix, you can see how I'm not on a Trailblazer budget). - What kind of add-ons are planned. - Whether or not the user manual will be enough for someone who has never admin'ed a site before (me). Address & Phone Number: Mark Williams Company 601 N. Skokie Highway Lake Bluff, IL 60044 (800) MARK-WMS (627-5967) (708) 689-2300 The $99.95 price only lasts until July 31. For the small amount of change that they wanted, I figured it was worth a shot. My biggest problem I cleaning off enough of my hard drive (60 meg) for Coherent and my favorite Unix code to fit. -- Rob Springall springal@hsi.com 3M Health Information Systems ...!{uunet, yale}!hsi!springal New Haven, CT
pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) (05/06/90)
In article <84yii2w161w@twiki.UUCP> dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale A. Weber) writes:
= Add to this, no full UUCP support. No cu, uuxqt, uusnap, etc. listed
^^^^^^
Pardon my ignorance, but
what is uusnap? I have
SVR3.2 with BNU and it
doesn't have uusnap.
Thanks,
Pete
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UUCP:...!princeton!mccc!pjh dinda@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Peter A. Dinda - MIC@MACC - 608/263/7744) (05/09/90)
In article <1437@hsi86.hsi.UUCP>, springal@hsi.UUCP (Rob Springall) writes...
some stuff
I called Mark Williams inc (1-800-MARK-WMS) and was told that the c
compiler in coherent seamlessly supports the protected mode...
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That's what i like to know !
>Item: 1164 by larry at vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Could anybody post the address (or better phone number ) of MW Company ?
thanx, petersui@cat56.cs.wisc.edu (Sui Choy) (08/05/90)
Regarding to the product Coherent Unix I mentioned earlier in the net, I had the reply From: Scott Rose <rose@galtee.cs.wisc.edu> as follows >... Coherent runs in protected mode, but >not (yet) in 386 native mode. A major downside is the C compiler, which >is small model only. Major upsides are UUCP, yacc, lex, kermit, compress, >tar, and about 100 other commands. Some have bugs. Its a new release of >an adaptation of an old product, and costs $100. That's the best I can >do for you. You are welcome to subscribe to the list, and/or to request >the back traffic to see if you think its for you. Or write to >"mwc!support@uunet.uu.net" for more information. - Philip sui@garfield.cs.wisc.edu
doug@conexch.UUCP (Doug Burke) (10/25/90)
Has anyone used the the Unix clone called Coherent? It is being marketed through the Mark Williams Company for $99.00 and as AT&T System V compatible. Sounds like a good deal for the PC...is it too good to be true? Thanks in advance Doug Burke
yahn@midget.towson.edu (Jan Zawadzki) (12/03/90)
Greetings...
For all of you out there considering purchase of Coherent:
I bought it in early April, when they first started advertising it.
Since then I toyed with it considerably. Few things you should be aware of:
1. small memory model. If you think it is not so bad, just think about it.
It does not sound as bad as it really is. Most of the stuff you are used
to will not port under Coherent (probably). Almost nothing of the GNU
stuff... The problem is with the kernel (according to MWC) They are
planning a re-write, but will not give a probable release time. Might
be a year or two... ON THE OTHER HAND: if you are hoping to have some
fun, and to learn something about UNIX and system administration, this
is it. The weekend I got Coherent I learned more about UNIX than in the
two years I spent playing on our BSD machine. It is quite different from
behind the wheel... Hopefully you will not write anything larger than
64K for the heck of it... Again, as a learning tool it is a steal.
2. If you are serious about development at home, it is still possible, IF
you are willing to make some sacrifices. Coherent was done in the spirit
of the original UNIX: simple and fast. Working with Coherent will force
you to go back to the good old days, when a program did one thing and did
it well.
3. It is a UNIX. It does have awk, grep, vi, sed, m4, and many other things.
Some of the utilities have problems: me, the MWC version of MicroEmacs will
drive you up a wall if you aren't willing to use vi. Their tar sometimes
has problems (Here is an exception: GNU tar ports!). A lot of people are
porting stuff over though. There are two sites where this stuff is av
available (forget the addreses now, but will post), there is a mailing list.
You will be surprised to find that MWC is on that list - frequently they
will answer questions and try to resolve your problems by email.
4. If you expecting tcp/ip, X, sockets, or anything like it you will have to
wait. (According to MWC: ) Coherent was designed and buit a simple system,
and porting stuff like X will require the large (huge?) memory model at f
first, and then there will be speed and efficiency considerations.
Coherent runs well on slow machines with little (relatively speaking) memory
and X would pretty much stink under such conditions. Networking has not
been mentioned on the list yet. It is probably because so far the system
did not gain suffiecient interest as a XENIX (or whatever) competitor.
At this point it really isn't. (A 'funny': there is no swapper! Quite a
shock when you first ps -xa ! Actually it is an option: you can run it
if you want to...)
In all, it is very good system (for what you pay). Don't expect a freebie, it
is not one. For home use it should be more than sufficient though. With the
optional device driver kit you get to mess with the kernel, it's fun (how
many of you get to do that at work..?).
If you don't like it, you can always return it, anywayz...
Jan
Disc: I am simply a satisfied customer...
yahn@midget.towson.eduAAW151@uriacc.uri.edu ( Andy Patrizio) (12/03/90)
Just to tack a little side note on to this article... One complaint that has been registered about Coherent is the lack of a decent shell. That, however, has been rectified. A friend of mine has written a shell for Coherent very similar to the Korn Shell, and is marketing it for $35. Mark Williams, the producer of Coherent, knows full well about "ash" and Dave Fischer (the programmer), so they can tell you more. Any Coherent owners who want to contact Dave can write me and I will give you has address. ----- Bitnet: aaw151@uriacc.bitnet | Andy Patrzio ARPA: aaw151%uriacc.bitnet@brownvm.brown.edu | Box 705 Ellery Hall Internet: aaw151@uriacc.uri.edu | URI Usenet: simon@sbs.bbs.com | Kingston, RI 02881 ...or...: andypo@idsvax.ids.com | (401) 782-2758 UUCP: ..uunet!rayssd!idsvax!andypo ----- "I'm taking Psychobabble for my language requirement" - me. -----
rfabian@beach.gal.utexas.edu (02/21/91)
Does anyone know anything about a Unix clone for PC by the name of Coherent? How well does it work? How well do other Unix based programs run on it? -R.H.F.