allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (08/01/87)
This is the monthly Info posting for comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here; if they are not, send mail to me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator. > Introduction < This newsgroup is not for large programs which belong in other sources groups; it is for sources which do not fit elsewhere (for example, MS-DOS and VMS non-game sources) and for the small stuff -- for example, your favorite shell script to set your prompt or etc. -- the little stuff that just doesn't warrant submission to comp.sources.unix (formerly mod.sources), where it'd look a bit silly next to the latest version of Xterm.... As a result, the group will be run in an informal fashion. In general, *anything* will be accepted, but discussion will be routed to comp.sources.d rather than cluttering this newsgroup. This newsgroup isn't expected to be a high-volume one, since the "big" stuff should be sent elsewhere. However, it is to be hoped that people still have the desire to post their favorite prompt generators, integer square root algorithms, etc. (If the last days of net.sources are any indication, they do.) > Why moderated? < The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact that net.sources was close to 90% NON-sources. Mail I have received indicates that the majority of people are willing to trade the small delays (mainly caused by network delays in mail; I send stuff out as fast as I get it) for having a source group that isn't full of noise. As stated above, the only reason a submission will be rejected is if it is a non-source. (One submission I have received was a semi-flame -- which was posted to mod.sources. I wonder what r$ thought about that?) I, as the moderator, am striving to get things out as quickly as possible while not posting non-sources; testing is not done. If it's something that's worth testing, it probably belongs in comp.sources.unix instead. > What sources are posted here? < I will post directly any sources: little stuff like "my favorite dice-roll program" or etc., non-Unix(R) sources, as well as the standard stuff. [Disclaimer: Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T.] In particular, I have made arrangements to handle VMS sources, and I have a program to create VMS DCL "shar" files. > Archiving < Alas, ncoast is cramped for space, so I cannot do archiving. I do, however, add archive headers to posted submissions, suitable for manual or automatic archiving and archive retrieval. Each Info posting will contain a list of the articles posted within the past month, also. The format of the archive header is: X-Archive: comp.sources.misc/yymm/seq where "yymm" is the year and month the article was posted, and "seq" is a sequence number which is unique within a month. Rick Perry (perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP, perry@vuvaxcom.BITNET) is archiving all of comp.sources.misc and is willing to distribute sources via UUCP or BITNET mail, or via a direct UUCP connection. He is also willing to make tar or cpio tapes. Contact perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP for more information. I am still looking for other sites to archive this newsgroup. Any interested system administrators should send me mail. > Final words < This newsgroup is something of an experiment. Its continued existence depends on how the net accepts it. If you do not favor a moderated sources newsgroup, please do NOT send me hate mail or post a flame to the net; you should send a non-flame letter to me explaining why you would prefer a non-moderated source group. Contrariwise, if you *do* support a moderated sources newsgroup, you should send mail to me explaining why. I will summarize periodically in the Info postings, and keep the soi-disant "Backbone Cabal" apprised as well. Don't bother flaming about it; you will only be ignored. ++Brandon, your friendly neighborhood comp.sources.misc moderator. =============================================================================== SUBMISSIONS TO comp.sources.misc FOR THE MONTH OF June, 1987 Indexed by X-Archive: header =============================================================================== (earlier submissions came before I set this up, sorry) 8706/2: bexec -- force csh to execute shell scripts in particular ways 8706/3: Display Tree for 4.3bsd (source) 8706/4: grabheaders - update to news/misc submission 8706/5: CORDIC code for vector rotation,sin,cos,atan2,P<->R 8706/6: Setgrp - spawn a process into a new group 8706/7: Patches to memdisk driver (BSD) 8706/8: filedisk: make a file into a filesystem (1 of 2) (BSD4.3) 8706/9: filedisk: make a file into a filesystem (2 of 2) (BSD4.3) =============================================================================== SUBMISSIONS TO comp.sources.misc FOR THE MONTH OF July, 1987 Indexed by X-Archive: header =============================================================================== 8707/1: MicroEMACS 3.8i Documentation (Scribe format) 1 of 2 8707/2: MicroEMACS 3.8i Documentation (Scribe format) 2 of 2 8707/3: MicroEmacs 3.8i Documentation (Formatted) 1 of 2 8707/4: MicroEMACS 3.8i Documentation (Formatted) 2 of 2 8707/5: A File Patching Package 8707/6: JOVE support for VT200-type function keys (a bug in the early program caused a gap in the sequence; no articles were posted with these numbers) 8707/32: fsfilt filesystem filter program 8707/33: Program to set file access and modification times. 8707/34: newguys submission 1/2 8707/35: newguys submission 2/2 8707/36: copytape -- copy magtapes (BSD or magtape ioctls thereof) 8707/37: microemacs documentation in LaTeX (part 1 of 2) 8707/38: microemacs documentation in LaTeX (part 2 of 2) 8707/39: mod.sources submission (maltrace) 8707/40: LaTeX Index Processor (Part 1 of 2) 8707/41: LaTeX Index Processor (Part 2 of 2) 8707/42: Recursive(dir) UUCP queuer script; someone might need it someday 8707/43: /dev/full device for 4.3 BSD 8707/44: Digital clock 8707/45: Read tape and print format program 8707/46: "glob" in C for MS-DOS (sources) 8707/47: Yet Another Time Program...... 8707/48: N-dimensional, Radix 2 FFT Routine 8707/49: Gabriel Benchmarks in Common Lisp 8707/50: Filter to shorten names output by cfront (353-line C source) 8707/51: {open,read,close}dir for MS-DOS 8707/52: Forth interpreter in 68000 assembler 8707/53: 3d Graphics System in Forth 8707/54: arc that UnSquashes 1/2 8707/55: arc that UnSquashes 2/2 8707/56: email: icon inoptional mailer invoker for the Unix PC 8707/57: A program to output block characters 8707/58: monitor -- monitor a command using curses 8707/59: malloc package with debugging 8707/60: A Function Key maintenance program for HP2392a and clones 8707/61: Simple Text Formatter 8707/62: finger for VAX/VMS under Eunice 8707/63: uul -- list uucp systems with jobs pending 8707/64: arc repost (sort of) 1/4 8707/65: arc repost (sort of) 2/4 8707/66: arc repost (sort of) 3/4 8707/67: arc repost (sort of) 4/4 8707/68: Re: A Function Key maintenance program for HP2392a and clones 8707/69: Batching news for mailing 8707/70: Fast Fourier Transform 8707/71: VTREE - draws directory tree structure (System V) 8707/72: Troffable MicroEmacs manual, part 1 of 2 ... 8707/73: Troffable MicroEmacs manual, part 2 of 2 ... 8707/74: Posting sources 8707/75: FFT in C
webber@topaz.rutgers.edu (Webber) (08/03/87)
In article <3708@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: > This is the monthly Info posting for comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any > questions you have will be answered here; if they are not, send mail to > me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator. NOTE: I definitely thank such postings are a good idea and thank the moderator for taking the time to make them. > The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May > 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact > that net.sources was close to 90% NON-sources. ... Only if you think 70% is close to 90%. Incidently, such statistics are actually rather messy since the postings on net.sources were quite episodic (I used the last 6 months to get my stats). Much more interesting would be to look at it in terms of percentage of the bytes. Any way, clearly the old set-up was producing more sources than the new. ---- BOB (webber@aramis.rutgers.edu ; rutger!aramis.rutgers.edu!webber)
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (08/08/87)
As quoted from <13649@topaz.rutgers.edu> by webber@topaz.rutgers.edu (Webber): +--------------- | > The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May | > 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact | > that net.sources was close to 90% NON-sources. ... | | Only if you think 70% is close to 90%. Incidently, such statistics | are actually rather messy since the postings on net.sources were quite | episodic (I used the last 6 months to get my stats). Much more | interesting would be to look at it in terms of percentage of the | bytes. Any way, clearly the old set-up was producing more sources | than the new. +--------------- Not so clear. I _still_ remember net.sources before comp.sources.misc. I also maintain that measuring it by bytes is worthless: I can't run a byte, I have to run an entire source. This basically means an article. Therefore, the correct measure is by number of articles; and here it's clear that by articles, net.sources carried far more non-source than source. -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc and comp.binaries.ibm.pc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!cwruecmp!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <<ncoast Public Access UNIX: +1 216 781 6201 24hrs. 300/1200/2400 baud>>
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (10/22/87)
[Only half a month late... sigh... ++bsa] This is the monthly Info posting for comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here; if they are not, send mail to me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator. > Introduction < This newsgroup is not for large programs which belong in other sources groups; it is for sources which do not fit elsewhere (for example, MS-DOS and VMS non-game sources) and for the small stuff -- for example, your favorite shell script to set your prompt or etc. -- the little stuff that just doesn't warrant submission to comp.sources.unix (formerly mod.sources), where it'd look a bit silly next to the latest version of Xterm.... As a result, the group will be run in an informal fashion. In general, *anything* will be accepted, but discussion will be routed to comp.sources.d rather than cluttering this newsgroup. This newsgroup isn't expected to be a high-volume one, since the "big" stuff should be sent elsewhere. However, it is to be hoped that people still have the desire to post their favorite prompt generators, integer square root algorithms, etc. (If the last days of net.sources are any indication, they do.) > Why moderated? < The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact that net.sources was close to 90% NON-sources by number of articles. Mail I have received indicates that the majority of people are willing to trade the small delays (mainly caused by network delays in mail; I send stuff out as fast as I get it) for having a source group that isn't full of noise. As stated above, the only reason a submission will be rejected is if it is a non-source. (One submission I have received was a semi-flame -- which was posted to mod.sources. I wonder what r$ thought about that?) I, as the moderator, am striving to get things out as quickly as possible while not posting non-sources; testing is not done. If it's something that's worth testing, it probably belongs in comp.sources.unix instead. > What sources are posted here? < I will post directly any sources: little stuff like "my favorite dice-roll program" or etc., non-Unix(R) sources, as well as the standard stuff. [Disclaimer: Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T.] In particular, I have made arrangements to handle VMS sources, and I have a program to create VMS DCL "shar" files. > Archiving < Alas, ncoast is cramped for space, so I cannot do archiving. I do, however, add archive headers to posted submissions, suitable for manual or automatic archiving and archive retrieval. Each Info posting will contain a list of the articles posted within the past month, also. The format of the archive header is: X-Archive: comp.sources.misc/yymm/[package/]seq where "yymm" is the year and month the article was posted, and "seq" is a sequence number which is unique within a month. Multi-part postings are grouped separately in "packages", so they can be referred to as a group; each package has its own sequence counter. Rick Perry (perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP, perry@vuvaxcom.BITNET) is archiving all of comp.sources.misc and is willing to distribute sources via UUCP or BITNET mail, or via a direct UUCP connection. He is also willing to make tar or cpio tapes. Contact perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP for more information. Jason at Arete Systems (sun!aeras!jason) is archiving comp.sources.misc, as well as the .games and .unix groups. Send mail to sun!aeras!jason or sun!aeras!nyles for more information. I am still looking for other sites to archive this newsgroup. Any interested system administrators should send me mail. > Final words < This newsgroup is something of an experiment. Its continued existence depends on how the net accepts it. If you do not favor a moderated sources newsgroup, please do NOT send me hate mail or post a flame to the net; you should send a non-flame letter to me explaining why you would prefer a non-moderated source group. Contrariwise, if you *do* support a moderated sources newsgroup, you should send mail to me explaining why. I will summarize periodically in the Info postings, and keep the soi-disant "Backbone Cabal" apprised as well. Don't bother flaming about it; you will only be ignored. ++Brandon, your friendly neighborhood comp.sources.misc moderator. =============================================================================== SUBMISSIONS TO comp.sources.misc FOR THE MONTH OF June, 1987 Indexed by X-Archive: header =============================================================================== (earlier submissions came before I set this up, sorry) 8706/2: bexec -- force csh to execute shell scripts in particular ways 8706/3: Display Tree for 4.3bsd (source) 8706/4: grabheaders - update to news/misc submission 8706/5: CORDIC code for vector rotation,sin,cos,atan2,P<->R 8706/6: Setgrp - spawn a process into a new group 8706/7: Patches to memdisk driver (BSD) 8706/8: filedisk: make a file into a filesystem (1 of 2) (BSD4.3) 8706/9: filedisk: make a file into a filesystem (2 of 2) (BSD4.3) =============================================================================== SUBMISSIONS TO comp.sources.misc FOR THE MONTH OF July, 1987 Indexed by X-Archive: header =============================================================================== 8707/1: MicroEMACS 3.8i Documentation (Scribe format) 1 of 2 8707/2: MicroEMACS 3.8i Documentation (Scribe format) 2 of 2 8707/3: MicroEmacs 3.8i Documentation (Formatted) 1 of 2 8707/4: MicroEMACS 3.8i Documentation (Formatted) 2 of 2 8707/5: A File Patching Package 8707/6: JOVE support for VT200-type function keys (a bug in the early program caused a gap in the sequence; no articles were posted with these numbers) 8707/32: fsfilt filesystem filter program 8707/33: Program to set file access and modification times. 8707/34: newguys submission 1/2 8707/35: newguys submission 2/2 8707/36: copytape -- copy magtapes (BSD or magtape ioctls thereof) 8707/37: microemacs documentation in LaTeX (part 1 of 2) 8707/38: microemacs documentation in LaTeX (part 2 of 2) 8707/39: mod.sources submission (maltrace) 8707/40: LaTeX Index Processor (Part 1 of 2) 8707/41: LaTeX Index Processor (Part 2 of 2) 8707/42: Recursive(dir) UUCP queuer script; someone might need it someday 8707/43: /dev/full device for 4.3 BSD 8707/44: Digital clock 8707/45: Read tape and print format program 8707/46: "glob" in C for MS-DOS (sources) 8707/47: Yet Another Time Program...... 8707/48: N-dimensional, Radix 2 FFT Routine 8707/49: Gabriel Benchmarks in Common Lisp 8707/50: Filter to shorten names output by cfront (353-line C source) 8707/51: {open,read,close}dir for MS-DOS 8707/52: Forth interpreter in 68000 assembler 8707/53: 3d Graphics System in Forth 8707/54: arc that UnSquashes 1/2 8707/55: arc that UnSquashes 2/2 8707/56: email: icon inoptional mailer invoker for the Unix PC 8707/57: A program to output block characters 8707/58: monitor -- monitor a command using curses 8707/59: malloc package with debugging 8707/60: A Function Key maintenance program for HP2392a and clones 8707/61: Simple Text Formatter 8707/62: finger for VAX/VMS under Eunice 8707/63: uul -- list uucp systems with jobs pending 8707/64: arc repost (sort of) 1/4 8707/65: arc repost (sort of) 2/4 8707/66: arc repost (sort of) 3/4 8707/67: arc repost (sort of) 4/4 8707/68: Re: A Function Key maintenance program for HP2392a and clones 8707/69: Batching news for mailing 8707/70: Fast Fourier Transform 8707/71: VTREE - draws directory tree structure (System V) 8707/72: Troffable MicroEmacs manual, part 1 of 2 ... 8707/73: Troffable MicroEmacs manual, part 2 of 2 ... 8707/74: Posting sources 8707/75: FFT in C =============================================================================== SUBMISSIONS TO comp.sources.misc FOR THE MONTH OF August, 1987 Indexed by X-Archive: header =============================================================================== 8708/1: Load average, "w", and status line for USG systems 8708/2: Program to enumerate all words derivable from a telephone number 8708/3: A C configuration enquirer (article number 4 unused, sorry) 8708/5: Original fft listing 8708/6: config 8708/7: uucost -- Display uucp costs on screen. 8708/8: Modula-2 vi macro package 8708/9: talk(1) enhancements (1 of 2) 8708/10: talk(1) enhancements (2 of 2) 8708/11: Submission to comp.sources.unix 8708/12: utility to find changed files 8708/13: Wasting time on a Sun3 (suntool that plots a graph) 8708/14: Set type for C (article number 15 unused, sorry) 8708/16: Submission for comp.sources.unix (Semaphore facilities exerciser for System V) 8708/17: string compare for 8-bit non-English characters (accents...) 8708/18: uupc.dcp.8.3 8708/19: uupc.mac.8.4 8708/20: uupc.read.8.1 8708/21: uupc.uu.8.2 8708/22: uupc.ami.8.6 8708/23: uupc.dos.8.7 8708/24: uupc.macl.8.8 8708/25: uupc.st.8.5 8708/26: bournebasic 8708/27: Microsoft serial mouse routines update 8708/28: MicroGnu for MSDOS 8708/29: "Producer": Smalltalk to Objective-C (Part 0/5) 8708/30: "Producer" translates Smalltalk to Objective-C (Part 1 of 5) 8708/31: "Producer" translates Smalltalk to Objective-C (Part 2 of 5) 8708/32: "Producer" translates Smalltalk to Objective-C (Part 3 of 5) 8708/33: "Producer" translates Smalltalk to Objective-C (Part 4 of 5) 8708/34: "Producer" translates Smalltalk to Objective-C (Part 5 of 5) 8708/35: Patches for LaTeX Index Processor (the following duplicate X-Archive ID was assigned by mistake, sorry) 8708/35: pshalf - print PostScript pages two to a page 8708/36: Re: MicroGnu for MSDOS 8708/uniflex-uupc/1: uniflex dcp Part 1 of 2 8708/uniflex-uupc/2: uniflex dcp Part 2 of 2 8708/pc-curses/1: PCcurses shar 1 8708/pc-curses/2: PCcurses shar 2 8708/pc-curses/3: PCcurses shar 4 8708/pc-curses/4: PCcurses shar 3 8708/pc-grafix/1: Grafix - a PC graphics library 1/3 8708/pc-grafix/2: Grafix - a PC graphics library (2/3) 8708/pc-grafix/3: Grafix - a PC graphics library 3/3 =============================================================================== SUBMISSIONS TO comp.sources.misc FOR THE MONTH OF September, 1987 Indexed by X-Archive: header =============================================================================== 8709/1: troff definitions for Swedish characters 8709/2: Diffs for fnkey 1.2 upgrade 8709/3: An install(1) program 8709/4: cc command file for AT&T Unix/PC or 3B1 8709/5: Sun rasterfile -> PostScript converter 8709/6: Uuencode pair w/backwards compatible checksums & BITNET compatibility 8709/7: ils - enhanced ls 8709/8: ils manual pages 8709/9: Re: rusers -- users(1) for rwho 8709/10: dusort: size sort output of "du" 8709/11: Patch #2 to Ispell Version 2.0 Beta 8709/12: System V session recorder (uses ptys) 8709/13: Working Pty Driver for UnixPC 8709/14: ARCE31B fast ARC extractor does squashed ARCs 8709/dbug/1: Dbug package (1 of 3) 8709/dbug/2: Dbug package (2 of 3) 8709/dbug/3: Dbug package (3 of 3) 8709/15: directory stack manipulation routines for bourne shell 8709/16: Re: directory stack manipulation routines for bourne shell 8709/alex/1: ALEX part 1/2 (MS-DOS file exchange program) 8709/alex/2: ALEX part 2/2 (MS-DOS library exchange program) 8709/17: C version of uuque program 8709/18: SHOW TERMINAL for VAX/VMS 8709/19: Disk Usage for VAX/VMS
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (11/03/87)
This is the monthly Info posting for comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here; if they are not, send mail to me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator. For the time being, please imagine that you are in comp.sources.misc. I do not post Administrivia directly to comp.sources.misc so that those who archive the newsgroup can do so without collecting non-source. Starting this month, the Index has been separated from the Info posting, and is being posted as a separate message. You can skip these if you wish by placing the following line in your KILL file: /comp\.sources\.misc administrivia: index/j > Introduction < This newsgroup is not for large programs which belong in other sources groups; it is for sources which do not fit elsewhere (for example, MS-DOS and VMS non-game sources) and for the small stuff -- for example, your favorite shell script to set your prompt or etc. -- the little stuff that just doesn't warrant submission to comp.sources.unix (formerly mod.sources), where it'd look a bit silly next to the latest version of Xterm.... As a result, the group will be run in an informal fashion. In general, *anything* will be accepted, but discussion will be routed to comp.sources.d rather than cluttering this newsgroup. This newsgroup isn't expected to be a high-volume one, since the "big" stuff should be sent elsewhere. However, it is to be hoped that people still have the desire to post their favorite prompt generators, integer square root algorithms, etc. (If the last days of net.sources are any indication, they do.) > Why moderated? < The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact that net.sources was largely NON-sources by number of articles. Mail I have received indicates that the majority of people are willing to trade the small delays (mainly caused by network delays in mail; I send stuff out as fast as I get it) for having a source group that isn't full of noise. As stated above, the only reason a submission will be rejected is if it is a non-source. I, as the moderator, am striving to get things out as quickly as possible while not posting non-sources; testing is not done. If it's something that's worth testing, it probably belongs in comp.sources.unix instead. (Send submissions to rs@uunet.UU.NET in that case.) > What sources are posted here? < I will post directly any sources: little stuff like "my favorite dice-roll program" or etc., non-Unix(R) sources, as well as the standard stuff. [Disclaimer: Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T.] In particular, I have made arrangements to handle VMS sources, and I have a program to create VMS DCL "shar" files. > Archiving < Alas, ncoast is cramped for space, so I cannot do archiving. I do, however, add archive headers to posted submissions, suitable for manual or automatic archiving and archive retrieval. Each Info posting will contain a list of the articles posted within the past month, also. I am making arrangements to use my personal machine as an archive server. I will post the details of this as soon as it is set up. Availability depends on available space on my machine and the amount of traffic that ncoast and its net neighbors are willing to put up with. The format of the archive header is: X-Archive: comp.sources.misc/yymm/[package/]seq where "yymm" is the year and month the article was posted, and "seq" is a sequence number which is unique within a month. Multi-part postings are grouped separately in "packages", so they can be referred to as a group; each package has its own sequence counter. Rick Perry (perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP, perry@vuvaxcom.BITNET) is archiving all of comp.sources.misc and is willing to distribute sources via UUCP or BITNET mail, or via a direct UUCP connection. He is also willing to make tar or cpio tapes. Contact perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP for more information. Jason at Arete Systems (sun!aeras!jason) is archiving comp.sources.misc, as well as the .games and .unix groups. Send mail to sun!aeras!jason or sun!aeras!nyles for more information. Mike Squires ({ncoast!peng,pitt}!sir-alan!mikes) is archiving both the .misc and .unix groups. Access is via anonymous UUCP, phone number +01 814 333 6728; the login is "pdsrc" and there is no password. An index of archived postings is available in the file /usr/spool/pdsrc/all.subjects. Contact Mike at {ncoast!peng,pitt}!sir-alan!mikes for more information. Rob Marchand is also archiving comp.sources.misc; he will mail sources out, or (last resort) provide UUCP access. He is also archiving sources which appear in comp.os.vms, making him the only "official" VMS archive site. Contact rob@array.UUCP ({utzoo,watmath}!lsuc!array!rob). I am still looking for other sites to archive this newsgroup. In particular, sites with FTP access are badly needed. Any interested system administrators should send me mail. ++Brandon, your friendly neighborhood comp.sources.misc moderator.
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (12/04/87)
This is the first of two messages comprising the monthly Info posting for
comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here;
if they are not, send mail to me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator.
This message is the Welcome! document, which describes my policies and
commitments. The second part of this posting is the Index for the newsgroup;
archive requests are best handled by specifying the X-Archive: ID for the
posting, or alternatively my Message-ID. Please do NOT use the article
number within the newsgroup: this varies based on lost messages or articles
received out of sequence, and is purely local.
For the time being, please imagine that you are in comp.sources.misc. I do
not post Administrivia directly to comp.sources.misc so that those who
archive the newsgroup can do so without collecting non-source.
> Introductioallbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (12/11/87)
[Ncoast ran out of space on the root filesystem just at the moment I posted this, so here goes again. Sigh. ++bsa] This is the first of two messages comprising the monthly Info posting for comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here; if they are not, send mail to me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator. This message is the Welcome! document, which describes my policies and commitments. The second part of this posting is the Index for the newsgroup; archive requests are best handled by specifying the X-Archive: ID for the posting, or alternatively my Message-ID. Please do NOT use the article number within the newsgroup: this varies based on lost messages or articles received out of sequence, and is purely local. For the time being, please imagine that you are in comp.sources.misc. I do not post Administrivia directly to comp.sources.misc so that those who archive the newsgroup can do so without collecting non-source. > Introduction < This newsgroup is not for large programs which belong in other sources groups; it is for sources which do not fit elsewhere (for example, MS-DOS and VMS non-game sources) and for the small stuff -- for example, your favorite shell script to set your prompt or etc. -- the little stuff that just doesn't warrant submission to comp.sources.unix (formerly mod.sources), where it'd look a bit silly next to the latest version of Xterm.... As a result, the group will be run in an informal fashion. In general, *anything* will be accepted, but discussion will be routed to comp.sources.d rather than cluttering this newsgroup. This newsgroup isn't expected to be a high-volume one, since the "big" stuff should be sent elsewhere. However, it is to be hoped that people still have the desire to post their favorite prompt generators, integer square root algorithms, etc. (If the last days of net.sources are any indication, they do.) > Why moderated? < The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact that net.sources was largely NON-sources by number of articles. Mail I have received indicates that the majority of people are willing to trade the small delays (mainly caused by network delays in mail; I send stuff out as fast as I get it) for having a source group that isn't full of noise. As stated above, the only reason a submission will be rejected is if it is a non-source. I, as the moderator, am striving to get things out as quickly as possible while not posting non-sources; testing is not done. If it's something that's worth testing, it probably belongs in comp.sources.unix instead. (Send submissions to rs@uunet.UU.NET in that case.) > What sources are posted here? < I will post directly any sources: little stuff like "my favorite dice-roll program" or etc., non-Unix(R) sources, as well as the standard stuff. [Disclaimer: Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T.] In particular, I have made arrangements to handle VMS sources, and I have a program to create VMS DCL "shar" files. Please consider sending larger postings to comp.sources.unix, and games to comp.sources.games. *** EXCEPTION *** Since Rich $alz has decided to reject editor sources, I am more than happy to accept them. (This does not mean that you should post fifteen versions of Emacs clones within a week. For that matter, posting Gnu Emacs is probably a bad idea unless you want to pay some hefty phone bills for backbone sites, not to mention ncoast's mail feeds.) > Guidelines for fast processing of submissions < The readers of this newsgroup would prefer that posters follow certain guidelines. Not following these guidelines may result in long delays, since some things *must* be fixed for news to accept the submission, and others fixed so that I can spend time processing submissions rather than responding to flames. ;-) * Do NOT send me uuencoded "arc" files, even of sources. * Please use "shar", "cshar", "bundle", etc. to package files. * PLEASE INCLUDE A Subject: HEADER!!! Certain large postings (e.g. uEmacs) arrived at ncoast sans Subject: line; this requires me to edit the messages and add subject lines for both inews and the archive list. * Please do not address submissions to ncoast!allbery; this has a more direct slowdown effect, as ncoast's mailer takes up to 15 minutes to start up when the mailbox is large. It also requires me to manually edit the headers of the message; the official address "ncoast!sources-misc" uses a filter which does the hard work automatically. * Please do not package binaries and sources in the same submission. Since I must send out the binaries separately, this results in a delay while I break apart the shar and rebuild it, then resubmit the binaries separately. * One way to solve the problem of an announcement not going out the same day as the posting it announces: send the announcement to me UNDER SEPARATE COVER (see the previous guideline) with instructions as to where it should be posted, and I will insure that both go out the same day. The same goes for binaries and/or other material associated with a source; send it under separate cover and tell me what to do with it. > Archiving < Alas, ncoast is cramped for space, so I cannot do archiving. I do, however, add archive headers to posted submissions, suitable for manual or automatic archiving and archive retrieval. The archive Index is posted each month as part of the Welcome! posting. I am making arrangements to use my personal machine as an archive server. I will post the details of this as soon as it is set up. Availability depends on available space on my machine and the amount of traffic that ncoast and its net neighbors are willing to put up with. (...and the availability of phone lines on ncoast.) This service will become available in mid-December. The format of the archive header is: X-Archive: comp.sources.misc/yymm/[package/]seq where "yymm" is the year and month the article was posted, and "seq" is a sequence number which is unique within a month. Multi-part postings are grouped separately in "packages", so they can be referred to as a group; each package has its own sequence counter. Patches for packages are posted with a modified sequence name: "Patch1" is an example. > Archive sites < Rick Perry (perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP, perry@vuvaxcom.BITNET) is archiving all of comp.sources.misc and is willing to distribute sources via UUCP or BITNET mail, or via a direct UUCP connection. He is also willing to make tar or cpio tapes. Contact perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP for more information. Jason Winters at Arete Systems (sun!aeras!jason) is archiving comp.sources.misc, as well as the .games and .unix groups. Send mail to sun!aeras!jason or sun!aeras!nyles for more information. Mike Squires ({ncoast!peng,pitt}!sir-alan!mikes) is archiving both the .misc and .unix groups. Access is via anonymous UUCP, phone number +01 814 333 6728; the login is "pdsrc" and there is no password. An index of archived postings is available in the file /usr/spool/pdsrc/all.subjects. Contact Mike at {ncoast!peng,pitt}!sir-alan!mikes for more information. Rob Marchand is also archiving comp.sources.misc; he will mail sources out, or (last resort) provide UUCP access. He is also archiving sources which appear in comp.os.vms, making him the only "official" VMS archive site. Contact rob@array.UUCP ({utzoo,watmath}!lsuc!array!rob). For European sites, Jamie Watson (mcvax!cernvax!paninfo!jw) is archiving the comp.sources groups; as usual, send email to him for information. I am still looking for other sites to archive this newsgroup. In particular, sites with FTP access are badly needed. Any interested system administrators should send me mail. ++Brandon, your friendly neighborhood comp.sources.misc moderator. [Okay, you can go back to pretending this is comp.sources.d now. ;-)]
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (02/03/88)
This is the first of two messages comprising the monthly Info posting for comp.sources.misc. Hopefully, any questions you have will be answered here; if they are not, send mail to me (allbery@ncoast.UUCP), the moderator. (Next month the Index will be split into two postings; I will post the June- December 1987 Index in February as well as this month, and start a new index for 1988. Read further for more information!) This message is the Welcome! document, which describes my policies and commitments. The second part of this posting is the Index for the newsgroup; archive requests are best handled by specifying the Archive-Name: or X-Archive: ID for the posting, or alternatively my Message-ID. Please do NOT use the article number within the newsgroup: this varies based on lost messages or articles received out of sequence, and is purely local. For the time being, please imagine that you are in comp.sources.misc. I do not post Administrivia directly to comp.sources.misc so that those who archive the newsgroup can do so without collecting non-source. > Introduction < This newsgroup is not for large programs which belong in other sources groups; it is for sources which do not fit elsewhere (for example, MS-DOS and VMS non-game sources) and for the small stuff -- for example, your favorite shell script to set your prompt or etc. -- the little stuff that just doesn't warrant submission to comp.sources.unix (formerly mod.sources), where it'd look a bit silly next to the latest version of Xterm.... As a result, the group will be run in an informal fashion. In general, *anything* will be accepted, but discussion will be routed to comp.sources.d rather than cluttering this newsgroup. This newsgroup isn't expected to be a high-volume one, since the "big" stuff should be sent elsewhere. However, it is to be hoped that people still have the desire to post their favorite prompt generators, integer square root algorithms, etc. (If the last days of net.sources are any indication, they do.) > Why moderated? < The moderated comp.sources.misc replaced the unmoderated net.sources in May 1987. This was done by the Usenet backbone in response to the observed fact that net.sources was largely NON-sources by number of articles. Mail I have received indicates that the majority of people are willing to trade the small delays (mainly caused by network delays in mail; I send stuff out as fast as I get it) for having a source group that isn't full of noise. As stated above, the only reason a submission will be rejected is if it is a non-source. I, as the moderator, am striving to get things out as quickly as possible while not posting non-sources; testing is not done. If it's something that's worth testing, it probably belongs in comp.sources.unix instead. (Send submissions to rs@uunet.UU.NET in that case.) > What sources are posted here? < I will post directly any sources: little stuff like "my favorite dice-roll program" or etc., non-Unix(R) sources, as well as the standard stuff. [Disclaimer: Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T.] In particular, I have made arrangements to handle VMS sources, and I have a program to create VMS DCL "shar" files. Please consider sending larger postings to comp.sources.unix, and games to comp.sources.games. *** EXCEPTION *** Since Rich $alz has decided to reject editor sources, I am more than happy to accept them. (This does not mean that you should post fifteen versions of Emacs clones within a week. For that matter, posting Gnu Emacs is probably a bad idea unless you want to pay some hefty phone bills for backbone sites, not to mention ncoast's mail feeds.) > Guidelines for fast processing of submissions < The readers of this newsgroup would prefer that posters follow certain guidelines. Not following these guidelines may result in long delays, since some things *must* be fixed for news to accept the submission, and others fixed so that I can spend time processing submissions rather than responding to flames. ;-) * Do NOT send me uuencoded "arc" files, even of sources. * Please use "shar", "cshar", "bundle", etc. to package files. * PLEASE INCLUDE A Subject: HEADER!!! Certain large postings (e.g. uEmacs) arrived at ncoast sans Subject: line; this requires me to edit the messages and add subject lines for both inews and the archive list. * Please do not address submissions to ncoast!allbery; this has a more direct slowdown effect, as ncoast's mailer takes up to 15 minutes to start up when the mailbox is large. It also requires me to manually edit the headers of the message; the official address "ncoast!sources-misc" uses a filter which does the hard work automatically. * Please do not package binaries and sources in the same submission. Since I must send out the binaries separately, this results in a delay while I break apart the shar and rebuild it, then resubmit the binaries separately. * One way to solve the problem of an announcement not going out the same day as the posting it announces: send the announcement to me UNDER SEPARATE COVER (see the previous guideline) with instructions as to where it should be posted, and I will insure that both go out the same day. The same goes for binaries and/or other material associated with a source; send it under separate cover and tell me what to do with it. > Archiving < Alas, ncoast is cramped for space, so I cannot do archiving. I do, however, add archive headers to posted submissions, suitable for manual or automatic archiving and archive retrieval. The archive Index is posted each month as part of the Welcome! posting. The archive server idea is dead: my personal machine is slated to be replaced with another machine which I will share with my boss, and *he* doesn't want to support the server. So much for a good idea. The format of the archive header is: X-Archive: comp.sources.misc/yymm/[package/]seq where "yymm" is the year and month the article was posted, and "seq" is a sequence number which is unique within a month. Multi-part postings are grouped separately in "packages", so they can be referred to as a group; each package has its own sequence counter. Patches for packages are posted with a modified sequence name: "Patch1" is an example. STARTING THIS MONTH, ARTICLES WILL BE POSTED WITH BOTH X-Archive: HEADERS AND STANDARD Archive-Name:/Volume-Number: HEADERS. This is to ease transition from the X-Archive format to the standard format. I intend to cease use of X-Archive by March 1. > Archive sites < Rick Perry (perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP, perry@vuvaxcom.BITNET) is archiving all of comp.sources.misc and is willing to distribute sources via UUCP or BITNET mail, or via a direct UUCP connection. He is also willing to make tar or cpio tapes. Contact perry@vu-vlsi.UUCP for more information. Jason Winters at Arete Systems (sun!aeras!jason) is archiving comp.sources.misc, as well as the .games and .unix groups. Send mail to sun!aeras!jason or sun!aeras!nyles for more information. Mike Squires ({ncoast!peng,pitt}!sir-alan!mikes) is archiving both the .misc and .unix groups. Access is via anonymous UUCP, phone number +01 814 333 6728; the login is "pdsrc" and there is no password. An index of archived postings is available in the file /usr/spool/pdsrc/all.subjects. Contact Mike at {ncoast!peng,pitt}!sir-alan!mikes for more information. Rob Marchand is also archiving comp.sources.misc; he will mail sources out, or (last resort) provide UUCP access. He is also archiving sources which appear in comp.os.vms, making him the only "official" VMS archive site. Contact rob@array.UUCP ({utzoo,watmath}!lsuc!array!rob). For European sites, Jamie Watson (mcvax!cernvax!paninfo!jw) is archiving the comp.sources groups; as usual, send email to him for information. Joe Carlson (carlson@llnl-winken.llnl.gov) has set up an archive that is available via anonymous FTP. Only articles from 9/87 on are archived. The archives are stored in subdirectories of /pub/comp.sources.misc by X-Archive header. Also available are comp.sources.unix and comp.sources.games archives, as well as some useful programs like nntp and rn. Contact Joe Carlson for details. (Oh -- for those who don't believe in nameservers, [128.115.14.1] is another name for the site.) ++Brandon, your friendly neighborhood comp.sources.misc moderator. [Okay, you can go back to pretending this is comp.sources.d now. ;-)]