lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) (09/02/89)
Perl 3.0 beta is now available for testing. You can get it via anonymous FTP from jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.143), ~ftp/pub/perl.3.0-beta. I'd like you guys to bang on it as much as possible in the next two weeks because I have to deliver it to run on some real flight ops systems soon. If you can't FTP, and are really motivated, I can mail all 23 kits to you. But don't expect official patch type support till the real thing comes out. If interest warrants I'll post it to alt.sources. There, there, don't drool, it's hard on your keyboard. Larry Wall lwall@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
wnp@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Wolf Paul) (09/02/89)
In article <5948@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) writes: >Perl 3.0 beta is now available for testing. ... > ... >If interest warrants I'll post it to alt.sources. > >There, there, don't drool, it's hard on your keyboard. > >Larry Wall >lwall@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Drooling under control. Here is one vote for posting it to alt.sources. Wolf Paul -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: {texbell, attctc, dalsqnt}!dcs!wnp DOMAIN: wnp@attctc.dallas.tx.us or wnp%dcs@texbell.swbt.com NOTICE: As of July 3, 1989, "killer" has become "attctc".
lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) (09/03/89)
In article <9209@attctc.Dallas.TX.US> wnp@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Wolf Paul) writes: : In article <5948@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) writes: : >Perl 3.0 beta is now available for testing. ... : > ... : >If interest warrants I'll post it to alt.sources. : > : >There, there, don't drool, it's hard on your keyboard. : > : >Larry Wall : >lwall@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov : : Drooling under control. Here is one vote for posting it to alt.sources. Ok, one vote is enough. :-) I'm posting it to alt.sources. It should dribble in over the next few days. Bear in mind this is a beta test version, and I won't send out patches for it. In fact, I expect you to send patches to me. Thanks. Larry Larry
darryl@lemuria.UUCP (Darryl P. Wagoner) (09/05/89)
Here is another vote for alt.sources -- Darryl Wagoner (home) dpw@lemuria.uucp Crosfield-Hastech; OS/2, Just say No! Manchester,NH (w) 603-623-3330 (h) 603-465-7130 UUCP: ubbs-nh!lemuria!dpw
blm@6sigma.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (09/06/89)
If I've missed it, I apologize, but could we persuade you, Larry, to take a few minutes and give us a quick summary of what's new in Perl 3.0? -- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sigma.UUCP Six Sigma CASE, Inc. +1 206 854 6578 PO Box 40316, Bellevue, WA 98004
tpo@dde.dk (Thomas Peter Sonne Olesen) (09/06/89)
Here is another vote for alt.sources -- | | | |******************************************************** | __| __| __ | Thomas P.S. Olesen | / |/ |/__> | Dansk Data Elektronik A/S - Kernel development group | \__/\__/\__ | Email: tpo@dde.dk or ..!uunet!mcvax!dkuug!tpo
kebsch@nixpbe.uucp (09/08/89)
> Perl 3.0 beta is now available for testing. You can get it via anonymous > ... > If interest warrants I'll post it to alt.sources. > .. > Larry Wall > lwall@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Here my vote for posting it in comp.sources.unix, because I think, there are more people getting this group than alt.sources????????? Greetings Waldemar Kebsch -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: Europe: {mcvax!}unido!nixpbe!kebsch.pad !Europe: {uunet!philabs!}linus!nixbur!kebsch.pad NERV ......: kebsch.pad Papermail .: Waldemar Kebsch, Nixdorf Computer AG, Developement Support, Pontanusstr. 55, D-4790 Paderborn, W-Germany
lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) (09/08/89)
In article <294@6sigma.UUCP> blm@6sigma.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: : If I've missed it, I apologize, but could we persuade you, Larry, to take : a few minutes and give us a quick summary of what's new in Perl 3.0? Well, I posted it in some other newsgroup a while ago, but since it's changed some since then, here is the current Changes file: Changes to perl --------------- Apart from little bug fixes, here are the new features: Perl can now handle binary data correctly and has functions to pack and unpack binary structures into arrays or lists. You can now do arbitrary ioctl functions. You can do i/o with sockets and select. You can now write packages with their own namespace. You can now pass things to subroutines by reference. The debugger now has hooks in the perl parser so it doesn't get confused. The debugger won't interfere with stdin and stdout. New debugger commands: n Single step around subroutine call. l min+incr List incr+1 lines starting at min. l List incr+1 more lines. l subname List subroutine. b subname Set breakpoint at first line of subroutine. S List subroutine names. D Delete all breakpoints. A List line actions. < command Define command before prompt. > command Define command after prompt. ! number Redo command (default previous command). ! -number Redo numberth to last command. h -number Display last number commands (default all). p expr Same as \"print DBout expr\". V package Dump all variables in package. The rules are more consistent about where parens are needed and where they are not. In particular, unary operators and list operators now behave like functions if they're called like functions. There are some new quoting mechanisms: $foo = q/"'"'"'"'"'"'"/; $foo = qq/"'"''$bar"''/; $foo = q(hi there); $foo = <<'EOF' x 10; Why, it's the old here-is mechanism! EOF You can now work with array slices (note the initial @): @foo[1,2,3]; @foo{'Sun','Mon','Tue','Wed','Thu','Fri','Sat'} = (1,2,3,4,5,6,7); @foo{split} = (1,1,1,1,1,1,1); There's now a range operator that works in array contexts: for (1..15) { ... @foo[3..5] = ('time','for','all'); @foo{'Sun','Mon','Tue','Wed','Thu','Fri','Sat'} = 1..7; You can now reference associative arrays as a whole: %abc = %def; %foo = ('Sun',1,'Mon',2,'Tue',3,'Wed',4,'Thu',5,'Fri',6,'Sat',7); Associative arrays can now be bound to a dbm or ndbm file. Perl automatically caches references to the dbm file for you. An array or associative array can now be assigned to as part of a list, if it's the last thing in the list: ($a,$b,@rest) = split; An array or associative array may now appear in a local() list. local(%assoc); local(@foo) = @_; Array values may now be interpolated into strings: `echo @ARGV`; print "first three = @list[0..2]\n"; print "@ENV{keys(ENV)}"; ($" is used as the delimiter between array elements) Array sizes may be interpolated into strings: print "The last element is $#foo.\n"; Array values may now be returned from subroutines, evals, and do blocks. Lists of values in formats may now be arbitrary expressions, separated by commas. Subroutine names are now distinguished by prefixing with &. You can call subroutines without using do, and without passing any argument list at all: $foo = &min($a,$b,$c); $num = &myrand; You can use the new -u switch to cause perl to dump core so that you can run undump and produce a binary executable image. Alternately you can use the "dump" operator after initializing any variables and such. Perl now optimizes splits that are assigned directly to an array, or to a list with fewer elements than the split would produce, or that split on a constant string. Perl now optimizes on end matches such as /foo$/; Perl now recognizes {n,m} in patterns to match preceding item at least n times and no more than m times. Also recognizes {n,} and {n} to match n or more times, or exactly n times. If { occurs in other than this context it is still treated as a normal character. Perl now optimizes "next" to avoid unnecessary longjmps and subroutine calls. Perl now optimizes appended input: $_ .= <>; Substitutions are faster if the substituted text is constant, especially when substituting at the beginning of a string. This plus the previous optimization let you run down a file comparing multiple lines more efficiently. (Basically the equivalents of sed's N and D are faster.) Similarly, combinations of shifts and pushes on the same array are much faster now--it doesn't copy all the pointers every time you shift (just every n times, where n is approximately the length of the array plus 10, more if you pre-extend the array), so you can use an array as a shift register much more efficiently: push(@ary,shift(@ary)); or shift(@ary); push(@ary,<>); The shift operator used inside subroutines now defaults to shifting the @_ array. You can still shift ARGV explicitly, of course. The @_ array which is passed to subroutines is a local array, but the elements of it are passed by reference now. This means that if you explicitly modify $_[0], you are actually modifying the first argument to the routine. Assignment to another location (such as the usual local($foo) = @_ trick) causes a copy of the value, so this will not affect most scripts. However, if you've modified @_ values in the subroutine you could be in for a surprise. I don't believe most people will find this a problem, and the long term efficiency gain is worth a little confusion. Perl now detects sequences of references to the same variable and builds switch statements internally wherever reasonable. The substr function can take offsets from the end of the string. The substr function can be assigned to in order to change the interior of a string in place. The split function can return as part of the returned array any substrings matched as part of the delimiter: split(/([-,])/, '1-10,20') returns (1,'-',10,',',20) If you specify a maximum number of fields to split, the truncation of trailing null fields is disabled. You can now chop lists. Perl now uses /bin/csh to do filename globbing, if available. This means that filenames with spaces or other strangenesses work right. Perl can now report multiple syntax errors with a single invocation. Perl syntax errors now give two tokens of context where reasonable. Perl will now report the possibility of a runaway multi-line string if such a string ends on a line with a syntax error. The assumed assignment in a while now works in the while modifier as well as the while statement. Perl can now warn you if you use numeric == on non-numeric string values. New functions: mkdir and rmdir getppid getpgrp and setpgrp getpriority and setpriority chroot ioctl and fcntl flock readlink lstat rindex - find last occurrence of substring pack and unpack - turn structures into arrays and vice versa read - just what you think warn - like die, only not fatal dbmopen and dbmclose - bind a dbm file to an associative array dump - do core dump so you can undump reverse - turns an array value end for end defined - does an object exist? undef - make an object not exist vec - treat string as a vector of small integers fileno - return the file descriptor for a handle wantarray - was subroutine called in array context? gethostbyname gethostbyaddr gethostent sethostent endhostent getnetbyname getnetbyaddr getnetent setnetent endnetent getprotobyname getprotobynumber getprotoent setprotoent endprotoent getservbyname getservbyport getservent setservent endservent Changes to s2p -------------- In patterns, s2p now translates \{n,m\} correctly to {n,m}. In patterns, s2p no longer removes backslashes in front of |. In patterns, s2p now removes backslashes in front of [a-zA-Z0-9]. S2p now makes use of the location of perl as determined by Configure. Changes to a2p -------------- A2p can now accurately translate the "in" operator by using perl's new "defined" operator. A2p can now accurately translate the passing of arrays by reference. Larry Wall lwall@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
jgreely@oz.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely) (09/13/89)
In article <3100002@nixpbe> kebsch@nixpbe.uucp writes: >[larry Wall said (shhh...)] >> Perl 3.0 beta is now available for testing. You can get it via anonymous >> If interest warrants I'll post it to alt.sources. >Here my vote for posting it in comp.sources.unix, because I think, >there are more people getting this group than alt.sources????????? Not a good idea. The point of sending it to alt.sources was that this is a *beta* release. The final copy will almost certainly be posted to c.s.u, as 1.0 and 2.0 were. It is set up for ftp from both jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov and tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (and probably others), and if enough UUCPish people request it, I can put it on osu-cis for anonymous uucp access. Hypertext, WYSIWYG, Cyberpunk, AI. The Four Horsemen of Madison Avenue. -=- J Greely (jgreely@cis.ohio-state.edu; osu-cis!jgreely)
jgreely@oz.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely) (09/14/89)
In article <JGREELY.89Sep13122153@oz.cis.ohio-state.edu> jgreely@oz.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely) writes: >It is set up for ftp from both jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov and >tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (and probably others), and if enough UUCPish >people request it, I can put it on osu-cis for anonymous uucp access. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that, thanks to the reorganization of osu-cis (now a Pyramid who speaks NFS), it already *is* available for anonymous UUCP. "Who *is* this guy?" "You'll have to excuse him... he works for the government." -=- J Greely (jgreely@cis.ohio-state.edu; osu-cis!jgreely)
allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) (09/15/89)
As quoted from <3100002@nixpbe> by kebsch@nixpbe.uucp: +--------------- | > Perl 3.0 beta is now available for testing. You can get it via anonymous | > ... | > If interest warrants I'll post it to alt.sources. | > .. | > lwall@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov | | Here my vote for posting it in comp.sources.unix, because I think, | there are more people getting this group than alt.sources????????? +--------------- I think not. Larry probably doesn't want the beta copy enshrined in archives all over the net, since it will (hopefully) soon be superseded by the *real* 3.0. For this reason, both comp.sources.unix and c.s.misc are out of the running. About all that's left is comp.sources.misc. -> Suggestion: how about "comp.sources.beta", a (possibly moderated) newsgroup operating along the same lines as c.s.misc, but with only temporary archiving. When the release version comes out (presumably in .misc or .unix), the beta archive copies are flushed and possibly replaces with a pointer to the released version. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc allbery@NCoast.ORG uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu bsa@telotech.uucp, 161-7070 BALLBERY (MCI), ALLBERY (Delphi), B.ALLBERY (GEnie) Is that enough addresses for you? no? then: allbery@uunet.UU.NET (c.s.misc)
allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) (09/15/89)
As quoted from <1989Sep15.011030.1660@NCoast.ORG> by allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery): +--------------- | 3.0. For this reason, both comp.sources.unix and c.s.misc are out of the | running. About all that's left is comp.sources.misc. +------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ uh... OOPS! WHOOPS! Only 25 and brain-rot is setting in already. ;-) I meant to say, "About all that's left is alt.sources." Sigh. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc allbery@NCoast.ORG uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu bsa@telotech.uucp, 161-7070 BALLBERY (MCI), ALLBERY (Delphi), B.ALLBERY (GEnie) Is that enough addresses for you? no? then: allbery@uunet.UU.NET (c.s.misc)
bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (09/16/89)
In article <1989Sep15.011030.1660@NCoast.ORG> allbery@ncoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
: -> Suggestion: how about "comp.sources.beta", a (possibly moderated)
: newsgroup operating along the same lines as c.s.misc, but with only temporary
: archiving. When the release version comes out (presumably in .misc or .unix),
: the beta archive copies are flushed and possibly replaces with a pointer to
: the released version.
That's pretty much what happens with alt.sources. People post betas
there quite frequently. But I'd go along with a mainstream group.
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