pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) (11/03/88)
In the referenced message, cs313s34@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Cs313s34) wrote: >If the group is really dead, can't we give it a decent >burial and get it off the net ? Don't be silly, you don't nuke a valuable net resource just because one moderator goes on vacation. Still, these vacations do seem to be rather frequent lately, and not just for this one group. Suggestion: every moderated group should be required to have at least two moderators. --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov ...well!pokey "One advantage of talking to yourself is that you know at least somebody's listening." -- Franklin P. Jones
ward@cfa.harvard.EDU (Steve Ward) (11/04/88)
In article <7541@well.UUCP>, pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) writes: > In the referenced message, cs313s34@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Cs313s34) wrote: > >If the group is really dead, can't we give it a decent > >burial and get it off the net ? > > Don't be silly, you don't nuke a valuable net resource just because one > moderator goes on vacation. > > Still, these vacations do seem to be rather frequent lately, and not just > for this one group. Suggestion: every moderated group should be required > to have at least two moderators. > --- >> Jef R$alz has done an admirable job as moderator of the aforementioned newsgroup, and we should all be grateful. I don't mean to imply that the commentary is ungrateful, but I think that it is a disservice to everyone. It is darn hard to do something on a strictly volunteer basis with excellence and regularity. Little things like work, a personal life, and other minor irritations always get in the way. I would say public thanks are in order, and if you really the problem serious enough to warrant email, discuss it personally and privately with the principal party. I like to get source postings ASAP, too. I'll certainly "suffer" with slowdowns or other "problems" for a service that has been and still is very well done, and free, and requires no effort on my part. I am not asking anyone to give R$alz a break, just what he deserves: lots of thanks, and personal treatment. He is real, alive, and approachable. I know it can be said that the net service is being discussed, not the person behind it, but I don't see how you make the separation in this case. Discussing someone in the third party makes it seem as if they had passed on. flames to /dev/nul Steve W. ward@cfa.harvard.edu
mike@pcsbst.UUCP (Mike Schroeder) (11/08/88)
In article <7541@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: >In the referenced message, cs313s34@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Cs313s34) wrote: >>If the group is really dead, can't we give it a decent >>burial and get it off the net ? > >Don't be silly, you don't nuke a valuable net resource just because one >moderator goes on vacation. > very right! >Still, these vacations do seem to be rather frequent lately, and not just >for this one group. Suggestion: every moderated group should be required >to have at least two moderators. hmm, that could lead to coordination problems. Next suggestion: how about the moderator informing us poor unknowing net-people that he/she will be gone for x days/weeks/(years ;-) so that at least we know what's happening? Mike Schroeder SNAIL: PCS GmbH; Pfaelzer-Wald-Str. 36; D-8000 Muenchen 90; W. Germany UUCP: msc@pcsbst.uucp or ...uunet!unido!pcsbst!cochise!mike VOICE: xx49-89-68004208
pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) (11/09/88)
In the referenced message, cochise!mike@pcsbst.UUCP (Mike Schroeder) wrote: >In article <7541@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: >> Suggestion: every moderated group should be required >>to have at least two moderators. > >hmm, that could lead to coordination problems. Sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of moderators. --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov ...well!pokey Of course there's no reason for it; it's just our policy.
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (11/17/88)
As quoted from <7598@well.UUCP> by pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer): +--------------- | In the referenced message, cochise!mike@pcsbst.UUCP (Mike Schroeder) wrote: | >In article <7541@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: | >> Suggestion: every moderated group should be required | >>to have at least two moderators. | > | >hmm, that could lead to coordination problems. | | Sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of moderators. +--------------- Sci.med.aids doesn't have Posting-Number: headers. Synchronizing with the occasional Aussie posting is difficult enough to give me a good idea of how bad a mess a *real* multiple-moderator situation would be. ++Brandon (no, the *other* sources newsgroup) -- Brandon S. Allbery, comp.sources.misc moderator and one admin of ncoast PA UN*X uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery <PREFERRED!> ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu allberyb@skybridge.sdi.cwru.edu <ALSO> allbery@uunet.uu.net comp.sources.misc is moving off ncoast -- please do NOT send submissions direct Send comp.sources.misc submissions to comp-sources-misc@<backbone>.
pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) (11/17/88)
In the referenced message, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) wrote: >>>> Suggestion: every moderated group should be required >>>>to have at least two moderators. >>>hmm, that could lead to coordination problems. >>Sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of moderators. >Sci.med.aids doesn't have Posting-Number: headers. Synchronizing with the >occasional Aussie posting is difficult enough to give me a good idea of how >bad a mess a *real* multiple-moderator situation would be. Gee, you're right, a centralized mechanism doesn't work in a distributed environment. How CLEVER you are to figure this out! Nevertheless, sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of *real* moderators. I wonder, how can they possibly avoid this "mess" you are worried about? Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of a primary moderator and a backup moderator. Both would receive the postings, but the backup would normally throw them out. However, if the primary disappears for a while, or perhaps even goes on a real vacation, the backup would be able to take over with minimal fuss. Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself. --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov ...well!pokey "I'm dying. Kiss me, Hardy!" -- Admiral Horatio Nelson
bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) (11/18/88)
In article <7670@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes:
: Gee, you're right, a centralized mechanism doesn't work in a distributed
: environment. How CLEVER you are to figure this out! Nevertheless,
: sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of *real*
: moderators. I wonder, how can they possibly avoid this "mess" you are
: worried about?
:
: Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of a primary moderator and
: a backup moderator. Both would receive the postings, but the backup would
: normally throw them out. However, if the primary disappears for a while,
: or perhaps even goes on a real vacation, the backup would be able to take
: over with minimal fuss.
:
: Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about
: protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself.
Mr. Poskanzer,
Shut your yap. We moderate newsgroups out of generosity, spending
time and money to so, because we believe that what we are doing is a
good thing. You have no business badmouthing one of us because he
isn't doing it just the way you'd like.
Suggestions are welcome, personal remarks are not.
You owe him, and all the other moderators out here, an apology.
---
Bill
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send comp.archives related mail to twwells!comp-archives-requestpokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) (11/19/88)
In the referenced message, bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) wrote: >Mr. Poskanzer, >Shut your yap. We moderate newsgroups out of generosity, spending >time and money to so, because we believe that what we are doing is a >good thing. You have no business badmouthing one of us because he >isn't doing it just the way you'd like. I write free software out of generosity, spending time and money to do so, because I believe that what I am doing is a good thing. But when I try to get it distributed, what do I find? The moderated sources groups are dead for months at a time, and the unmoderated sources group reaches only half the net. I'm not the only one who has pointed this out. I'm not the only one who objects. >Suggestions are welcome, personal remarks are not. Yes, suggestions are welcome, but holier-than-thou chest-beating is not. And by the way, the message you replied to included a suggestion. Perhaps you were too busy yapping to notice and comment on it. It is certainly clear that the moderators are uninterested in making any suggestions of their own. >You owe him, and all the other moderators out here, an apology. Oh? And when was the last time we saw an apology from one of the moderators after a "vacation"? --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov ...well!pokey "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
jim@eda.com (Jim Budler) (11/21/88)
In article <7670@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: | In the referenced message, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) wrote: | >>>> Suggestion: every moderated group should be required | >>>>to have at least two moderators. [...] | >>>hmm, that could lead to coordination problems. [...] | >>Sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of moderators. [...] | >Sci.med.aids doesn't have Posting-Number: headers. Synchronizing with the [...] | Gee, you're right, a centralized mechanism doesn't work in a distributed | environment. How CLEVER you are to figure this out! Nevertheless, [...] | Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of a primary moderator and | a backup moderator. Both would receive the postings, but the backup would [...] | Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about | protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself. AH, COME ON! Unnecessary, [expletive deleted]! "protect your position", indeed! Protect the many unpaid hours spent on a voluntary position. You may be right he didn't think of "Anyway, I was thinking...", but then he never claimed to be telepathic. I'm sure you didn't think about the fact that coordinated posting numbers assist people to retrieve material from multiple archives across this network. | --- | Jef Lighten up! So you didn't get your freebies as fast as you like. jim -- uucp: {decwrl,uunet}!eda!jim Jim Budler internet: jim@eda.com EDA Systems, Inc.
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (11/25/88)
As quoted from <184@twwells.uucp> by bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells): +--------------- | In article <7670@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: | : Gee, you're right, a centralized mechanism doesn't work in a distributed | : environment. How CLEVER you are to figure this out! Nevertheless, | : sci.med.aids seems to do just fine with its multiplicity of *real* | : moderators. I wonder, how can they possibly avoid this "mess" you are | : worried about? +--------------- Again, they aren't using a centralized sequence-number mechanism. Such things may work over a fast network, but over slow UUCP links that can take well over a week to move articles around? Wishing doesn't change the real world. +--------------- | : Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of a primary moderator and | : a backup moderator. Both would receive the postings, but the backup would | : normally throw them out. However, if the primary disappears for a while, | : or perhaps even goes on a real vacation, the backup would be able to take | : over with minimal fuss. +--------------- How long is "awhile"? And how do you deal with: (a) propagation delay is long enough between the two machines that it *looks* like the primary moderator disappeared for a time, to the backup moderator? (b) Single articles that for some reason don't reach the backup moderator's system, but *do* reach everywhere else? (It happens all the time. We have yet to receive a complete multipart submission from comp.sources.unix here on ncoast.) +--------------- | : Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about | : protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself. | | Shut your yap. We moderate newsgroups out of generosity, spending | time and money to so, because we believe that what we are doing is a | good thing. You have no business badmouthing one of us because he | isn't doing it just the way you'd like. +--------------- It has been "come up with"; it has been discussed; it was rejected for the above reasons and others, for sources groups. (Bill, you don't have to be *quite* so strong about it, Jef isn't talking about rogue moderatorship a' la Bob Webber or anything like that.) Admitted, there *is* a problem, and it needs to be solved. But there are no solutions that work well enough to warrant being used on a net-wide basis. And no, redefining the way sources newsgroups work isn't an option; if you will recall, I changed the way comp.sources.misc works to fit the standard because the majority of sources users and archivers on the Usenet wanted me to. You have to get an alternative scheme past *them*, or the newsgroup won't be read, or (possibly) propagated, or etc. And as far as comp.sources.misc goes -- I do this as a service to the net, and it takes up valuable time that could be used far more profitably in other ways. If Jef is so certain that he can do it better, he's welcome to move over to news.groups and start a vote to become moderator. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, comp.sources.misc moderator and one admin of ncoast PA UN*X uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery <PREFERRED!> ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu allberyb@skybridge.sdi.cwru.edu <ALSO> allbery@uunet.uu.net comp.sources.misc is moving off ncoast -- please do NOT send submissions direct Send comp.sources.misc submissions to comp-sources-misc@<backbone>.
pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) (11/26/88)
In the referenced message, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) wrote: }In article <7670@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: }:Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of a primary moderator and }:a backup moderator. Both would receive the postings, but the backup would }:normally throw them out. However, if the primary disappears for a while, }:or perhaps even goes on a real vacation, the backup would be able to take }:over with minimal fuss. } }How long is "awhile"? It doesn't matter. As I mentioned in my latest reply to Bill, any time period will be better than the current situation, where the time period is infinite. } And how do you deal with: }(a) propagation delay is long enough between the two machines that it *looks* } like the primary moderator disappeared for a time, to the backup } moderator? The phone. }(b) Single articles that for some reason don't reach the backup moderator's } system, but *do* reach everywhere else? (It happens all the time. We } have yet to receive a complete multipart submission from comp.sources.unix } here on ncoast.) And how many single articles never reach the sole moderator under the current system? If anything, the dual moderator system would handle this problem better, since there is more of a chance for the article to get to someone who can do something with it. }:Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about }:protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself. } }It has been "come up with"; it has been discussed; it was rejected for the }above reasons and others, for sources groups. Nice demagoguery, Brandon. Pardon me while I expell a small wad of nasal material. }Admitted, there *is* a problem, and it needs to be solved. But there are no }solutions that work well enough to warrant being used on a net-wide basis. I disagree. }And as far as comp.sources.misc goes -- I do this as a service to the net, }and it takes up valuable time that could be used far more profitably in }other ways. If Jef is so certain that he can do it better, he's welcome to }move over to news.groups and start a vote to become moderator. And I write free software as a service to the net, and we've already done this chest-beating routine. I have never said anything about me moderating better than you. I am telling you how you can do it better, if you want to. You and the other moderators ought to have jumped at the chance. Instead all I hear is a lot of whining. This only confirms my initial suspicion that the moderators have become personalities, AND THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY. You guys have heard of egoless programming, haven't you? Think about egoless moderating. --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov ...well!pokey Contents under pressure.
bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) (11/27/88)
In article <13172@ncoast.UUCP> allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
: As quoted from <184@twwells.uucp> by bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells):
: +---------------
: | : Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about
: | : protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself.
: |
: | Shut your yap. We moderate newsgroups out of generosity, spending
: | time and money to so, because we believe that what we are doing is a
: | good thing. You have no business badmouthing one of us because he
: | isn't doing it just the way you'd like.
: +---------------
:
: It has been "come up with"; it has been discussed; it was rejected for the
: above reasons and others, for sources groups. (Bill, you don't have to be
: *quite* so strong about it, Jef isn't talking about rogue moderatorship a'
: la Bob Webber or anything like that.)
Well, he's certainly not as bad as Webber (very little, other than
Weemba the Mouth, is as bad as Webber!), but his habit of badmouthing
the people he is making suggestions to is just plain STUPID!
: Admitted, there *is* a problem, and it needs to be solved. But there are no
: solutions that work well enough to warrant being used on a net-wide basis.
This I'll agree with. Each newsgroup is likely to need its own
special way of handling the problem. However, I view this discussion
as a way of getting out ideas; the individual moderators can then use
whatever ideas suite them.
: And no, redefining the way sources newsgroups work isn't an option; if you
: will recall, I changed the way comp.sources.misc works to fit the standard
: because the majority of sources users and archivers on the Usenet wanted me
: to. You have to get an alternative scheme past *them*, or the newsgroup
: won't be read, or (possibly) propagated, or etc.
Yes, that is somethings else that has to be considered, especially
for groups that get archived or otherwise processed: any change is
going to make *lots* of people unhappy; unless they are also
convinced that the change is much for the better, the change ought
not be made.
---
Bill
{uunet|novavax}!proxftl!twwells!billbill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) (11/27/88)
In article <7757@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes:
: And I write free software as a service to the net, and we've already done
: this chest-beating routine. I have never said anything about me moderating
: better than you. I am telling you how you can do it better, if you want to.
: You and the other moderators ought to have jumped at the chance. Instead
: all I hear is a lot of whining. This only confirms my initial suspicion
: that the moderators have become personalities, AND THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.
And I do lots of things, but I don't insult people I'm trying to get
to do something I want. *You* could be quite a bit more effective at
this if you were to knock off the noise.
Name calling and other nastiness is only appropriate when dealing
with someone you do not respect. Since you are making your lack of
respect so public, you shouldn't be surprised when those you have
contemned don't do what you want.
---
Bill
{uunet|novavax}!proxftl!twwells!billallbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (12/02/88)
As quoted from <7757@well.UUCP> by pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer): +--------------- | In the referenced message, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) wrote: | }In article <7670@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer <jef@rtsg.ee.lbl.gov> writes: | } And how do you deal with: | }(a) propagation delay is long enough between the two machines that it *looks* | } like the primary moderator disappeared for a time, to the backup | } moderator? | | The phone. +--------------- Which can get expensive. Oh, of course -- it's not *your* money, so who cares? Please try to remember that Usenet and things related to it are NOT free of cost. +--------------- | }:Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about | }:protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself. | } | }It has been "come up with"; it has been discussed; it was rejected for the | }above reasons and others, for sources groups. | | Nice demagoguery, Brandon. Pardon me while I expell a small wad of nasal | material. +--------------- Why do I have a feeling that Mr. Poskanzer is flaming without substance? And had it occurred to him that moderators are capable of conversion with each other without making it public? Or does that smack too much of the Evil BackBone Cabal(tm)? +--------------- | }Admitted, there *is* a problem, and it needs to be solved. But there are no | }solutions that work well enough to warrant being used on a net-wide basis. | | I disagree. +--------------- Then *show* us that it works. +--------------- | }And as far as comp.sources.misc goes -- I do this as a service to the net, | }and it takes up valuable time that could be used far more profitably in | }other ways. If Jef is so certain that he can do it better, he's welcome to | }move over to news.groups and start a vote to become moderator. | | And I write free software as a service to the net, and we've already done | this chest-beating routine. I have never said anything about me moderating | better than you. I am telling you how you can do it better, if you want to. | You and the other moderators ought to have jumped at the chance. Instead | all I hear is a lot of whining. This only confirms my initial suspicion | that the moderators have become personalities, AND THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY. +--------------- Eh wot? I don't see where you came up with this, except insofar as you seem to need to flame us all to h*ll and back if we don't immediately accept your proposed solution as The One True Way. Show us that it works. SHOW us, don't talk about it; vaporware solves no problems. When you can prove that it works, you will have a chance of getting people to listen to you. Not just moderators, but also people who run archiving software who depend on the way it works now; I had to rework comp.sources.misc to make them happy, what makes you think I can change it to something that DOESN'T work with their software with impunity? Or does that not matter because the Essential Correctness of your proposal is so Obvious That Everyone Can See It? +--------------- | You guys have heard of egoless programming, haven't you? Think about | egoless moderating. +--------------- Think about egoless suggestions. Or were you of the opinion that ad-hominem flaming is the Right and Proper Way to make people pay attention to your ideas? I'm leaving this discussion on the grounds that if Mr. Poskanzer has to use insults to get his point across, he's not worth listening to anyway. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, comp.sources.misc moderator and one admin of ncoast PA UN*X uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery <PREFERRED!> ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu allberyb@skybridge.sdi.cwru.edu <ALSO> allbery@uunet.uu.net comp.sources.misc is moving off ncoast -- please do NOT send submissions direct Send comp.sources.misc submissions to comp-sources-misc@<backbone>.
rsalz@bbn.com (Rich Salz) (04/15/89)
My main mail machine and home for lots of c.s.u stuff went south earlier today and won't be back up until sometime Tuesday. Rumor has it one of the disks decided to go try and run the Boston Marathon. Sorry for any hassles; expect that some mail will hit the magic sendmail three-day timeout and bounce back, just resend. /rich $alz -- Please send comp.sources.unix-related mail to rsalz@uunet.uu.net.
james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) (10/03/90)
Is anyone seeing any comp.sources.unix .games .what-ever???? It seems to have dried up altogether at my site....just checking to see if I've become isolated from some groups....thanks. Please reply if you are getting anything in these groups since early Sept or late Aug.
ooms@delgeo.UUCP (Frank Ooms) (10/03/90)
In article <91@dlss2.UUCP> james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) writes: > > Is anyone seeing any comp.sources.unix Noop, I haven't seen anything around here, since early summer. They sure are taking long summer holidays on the other side of the ocean. And, Yes, I wouldn't mind knowing why this is happening! -- /* Frank Ooms, +31 15-621554 * * ooms%delgeo@nluug.nl * * ooms@delgeo.uucp * * ..!mcsun!hp4nl!delgeo!ooms */
lmb@vicom.com (Larry Blair) (10/04/90)
In article <1837@delgeo.UUCP> ooms@delgeo.UUCP (Frank Ooms) writes: =In article <91@dlss2.UUCP> james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) writes: => => Is anyone seeing any comp.sources.unix = =Noop, I haven't seen anything around here, since early summer. I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not performed this job well for last two years. What we need is for a volunteer to step forward. I would expect to see a few program come out in c.s.u shortly, as they have every other time I've called for a replacement. Sad but true; maybe I'll do this monthly:-). -- Larry Blair ames!vsi1!lmb lmb@vicom.com
taylor@limbo.Intuitive.Com (Dave Taylor) (10/04/90)
Larry Blair notes: >I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not >performed this job well for last two years. What about if we thought about breaking down the job into one that a group of people could do instead of relying on the "copious free time" of Rich Salz to test things? That is, why not go through the last few years worth of sources, categorize them by type (e.g. email related, administrative tools, editors, compilers, software development tools, connectivity software, etc) and then post an article asking for people interested in a *specific niche*? Then assign a single person to be the central point for submissions and let that person point source that arrives at the appropriate volunteer? To me, the problem isn't that Rich isn't doing his "job", but that there's just too much work for a single person to accomplish in a reasonable manner, especially when they want to keep the level of quality as high as possible. -- Dave Taylor Intuitive Systems Mountain View, California taylor@limbo.intuitive.com or {uunet!}{decwrl,apple}!limbo!taylor
moore@srl.mew.mei.co.jp (W. Phillip Moore) (10/04/90)
In article <1837@delgeo.UUCP> ooms@delgeo.UUCP (Frank Ooms) writes: In article <91@dlss2.UUCP> james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) writes: > > Is anyone seeing any comp.sources.unix Noop, I haven't seen anything around here, since early summer. They sure are taking long summer holidays on the other side of the ocean. And, Yes, I wouldn't mind knowing why this is happening! The last thing I remember seeing was the amd-5.1c source in mid-summer. I also got suspicious when the amd-5.2 source showed up in fj.sources (Japan) but *not* comp.sources.unix. Is it possible that c.s.u is getting posted with a non-world wide distribution maybe?? Is something strange happening here?? W. Phillip Moore Phone: 06-908-1431 LSI Research Group FAX: 06-906-7251 Semiconductor Research Laboratory E-mail: moore@mew.mei.co.jp Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. 1048 Kadoma, Osaka 571, Japan
john@karnak.uucp (John B. Meaders Jr.) (10/04/90)
In article <91@dlss2.UUCP> james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) writes: > > Is anyone seeing any comp.sources.unix > .games > .what-ever???? > It seems to have dried up altogether at my site....just checking >to see if I've become isolated from some groups....thanks. > Please reply if you are getting anything in these groups since >early Sept or late Aug. I haven't seen anything either. -- John B. Meaders, Jr. 510 Manchester Ct., Hopewell, VA 23806 Voice: 804-458-2983 Net: john@karnak or {sequoia,sulaco,letni}!karnak!john
james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) (10/05/90)
In article <1286@limbo.Intuitive.Com> taylor@limbo.Intuitive.Com (Dave Taylor) writes: >Larry Blair notes: > >>I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not >>performed this job well for last two years. Geez, did I start all of this?...hmmm It was not intended to be a witch hunt or a "hey, Rich, get out your asbestos underwear" type trip. Simply wanted to know if I had become isolated concerning comp.sources.{unix games etc}. >What about if we thought about breaking down the job into one that >a group of people could do instead of relying on the "copious free >time" of Rich Salz to test things? Here, here, an excellent idea! There is no reason for one person to be burdened alone... > That is, why not go through the >last few years worth of sources, categorize them by type (e.g. email >related, administrative tools, editors, compilers, software development >tools, connectivity software, etc) and then post an article asking for >people interested in a *specific niche*? ....or possibly machine specific as another category? Not everyone has access to SysV or NeXT or BSD or whatever.
brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) (10/08/90)
In article <93@dlss2.UUCP> james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) writes: > ....or possibly machine specific as another category? Not > everyone has access to SysV or NeXT or BSD or whatever. I don't like that. I want to see programs categorized by interface, not by currently supported platform. What would be nice is an X-Context: header listing things like BSD, Internet, etc. ---Dan
cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor) (10/09/90)
In article <1990Oct3.192556.23954@vicom.com> lmb@vicom.com (Larry Blair) writes: >I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not >performed this job well for last two years. > >What we need is for a volunteer to step forward. > >I would expect to see a few program come out in c.s.u shortly, as they have >every other time I've called for a replacement. Sad but true; maybe I'll >do this monthly:-). >-- >Larry Blair ames!vsi1!lmb lmb@vicom.com I'd like to second the vote. I understand how much work it must be to properly administer comp.sources.unix, but there must be somebody out there who can speed things up a little. -- Chris Faylor Boston Business Computing, Ltd. cgf@ednor.bbc.com President: Anti Usenet-Obsessive-Behavior Society The opinions expressed here just might represent the opinions of this company.
root@cca.ucsf.edu (Systems Staff) (10/09/90)
In article <MOORE.90Oct4072625@terra.srl.mew.mei.co.jp>, moore@srl.mew.mei.co.jp (W. Phillip Moore) writes: > > In article <1837@delgeo.UUCP> ooms@delgeo.UUCP (Frank Ooms) writes: > > In article <91@dlss2.UUCP> james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) writes: > > > > Is anyone seeing any comp.sources.unix > > Noop, I haven't seen anything around here, since early summer. > > Is something strange happening here?? The last posting received here was Henry Spencer's "awf" dated 7 Sep 90. This file was v23i027; all v23 files preceding this except v23i020 were received. Before the awf file, files dated 30 Aug 90, 31 Aug 90, and 4 Sep 90 were received. The volume 23 files which we have received are available by anonymous FTP from ccb.ucsf.edu [128.218.1.13] in the ~ftp subdirectory There is currently no volume23 directory on uunet.uu.net, the home archive for comp.sources.unix. Comp.sources.unix/Volume23 Thos Sumner Internet: thos@cca.ucsf.edu (The I.G.) UUCP: ...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!cca.ucsf!thos BITNET: thos@ucsfcca U.S. Mail: Thos Sumner, Computer Center, Rm U-76, UCSF San Francisco, CA 94143-0704 USA I hear nothing in life is certain but death and taxes -- and they're working on death. #include <disclaimer.std>
jim@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Mercer) (10/09/90)
In article <1990Oct9.011802.2381@ednor.bbc.com> cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor) writes: >In article <1990Oct3.192556.23954@vicom.com> lmb@vicom.com (Larry Blair) writes: >>I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not >>performed this job well for last two years. > >I'd like to second the vote. Hey People! Wake UP!!!! what, you think just because there is a group called sources, there should be a never ending flow of useful programs???? the proceeds of *.sources.* require at least a couple steps: a) someone has to sit down and spend uncounted hours designing and implementing a useful utility, that will hopefully function on many platforms. b) several people will beta test it to make sure it works in practice, not just on the author's machine. c) submit the beast to the moderator. d) if enough time was spent doing b), the moderator should be able to verify that it does what it says, and submit it to the queue. e) if not, it either gets trashed, or put on hold until the moderator has time. all of the above steps are done with out payment and in spare time. very few of us are actually paid to administrate news (directly) and even fewer are sanctioned to spend "company" time developing software that we are going to give away. maybe Rich is a little slow in getting stuff into the queue. so what? at least he's willing to put time into the system. it doesn't take much to post complaints about something. you want faster submissions to *.sources.*? you moderate it. just be prepared for a monthly batch of complaints from either people waiting for their free software, or from people bitching about mistakes you make in the submissions. hopefully your boss won't find out how much time you spend making sure the *.sources.* trough is always full. i don't think you'll be able to do that as a part time evening/weekend job. just figured i should say my piece. rich: do the best you can. it is all we can or should ask. -- [ Jim Mercer jim@lsuc.On.Ca || ...!uunet!attcan!lsuc!jim +1 416 947-5258 ] [ Systems Facilitator - Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ] [ Standards are great. They give non-conformists something to not conform to. ] [ The opinions expressed here may or may not be those of my employer ]
doug@letni.UUCP (Doug Davis) (10/09/90)
In article <1990Oct9.011802.2381@ednor.bbc.com> cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor) writes: >In article <1990Oct3.192556.23954@vicom.com> lmb@vicom.com (Larry Blair) writes: >>I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not >>performed this job well for last two years. >> >>What we need is for a volunteer to step forward. >> > >I'd like to second the vote. Well, I've sent Rich a couple of pieces of mail, he either hasn't seen them or has chosen not to respond. Anyway, I'ed like to volunteer. I sent mail to Rich about this and he hasn't responded so I thought I'ed go ahead and post. I've been on the net off and on for quite some time, and have learned much from the postings that have been part of the net/mod/comp/alt sources groups I would hate to see someone else miss out on what resources I have had available. Currently I can test software on my machine which has both System V and 4.2 style libraries. (sorry big endian only) Also there are several local people around that have expressed interest in testing too. If these people are still interested it would give a very wide range of systems that a submission could be tested on before it was posted. Also I'ed consider automating the INFO: style postings to give a queue status so people would know where their favorite piece of software was, and its status. So there you have it. If someone else would rather do it, let them speak forth. Otherwise flood my mailbox with good reasons for me not to do it and i'll withdraw my offer. doug __ Doug Davis/4409 Sarazen/Mesquite, Texas. 75150 214-808-3048 BANG: {texsun|lawnet|smu}!letni!doug FQDN: doug@letni.lonestar.org "Be seeing you..."
root@cca.ucsf.edu (Systems Staff) (10/10/90)
Sorry, the directory line got misplaced; the latter part of the previous posting should read: > The volume 23 files which we have received are available by anonymous > FTP from ccb.ucsf.edu [128.218.1.13] in the ~ftp subdirectory > > Comp.sources.unix/Volume23 > > There is currently no volume23 directory on uunet.uu.net, the home > archive for comp.sources.unix. Thos Sumner Internet: thos@cca.ucsf.edu (The I.G.) UUCP: ...ucbvax!ucsfcgl!cca.ucsf!thos BITNET: thos@ucsfcca U.S. Mail: Thos Sumner, Computer Center, Rm U-76, UCSF San Francisco, CA 94143-0704 USA I hear nothing in life is certain but death and taxes -- and they're working on death. #include <disclaimer.std>
rsalz@bbn.com (Rich Salz) (10/10/90)
In <3195@ucsfcca.ucsf.edu> root@cca.ucsf.edu (Systems Staff) writes: >> There is currently no volume23 directory on uunet.uu.net, the home >> archive for comp.sources.unix. The archives on uunet and munnari are now current. OSU is being updated right now. /r$ -- Please send comp.sources.unix-related mail to rsalz@uunet.uu.net. Use a domain-based address or give alternate paths, or you may lose out.
david@twg.com (David S. Herron) (10/11/90)
In article <14234@letni.UUCP> doug@letni.UUCP (Doug Davis) writes: >In article <1990Oct9.011802.2381@ednor.bbc.com> cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor) writes: >>In article <1990Oct3.192556.23954@vicom.com> lmb@vicom.com (Larry Blair) writes: >>>I once again renew my call for a new moderator for c.s.u. Rich has not >>>performed this job well for last two years. Guys .. Rich goes through these phases where he pays attention to work for awhile and doesn't do any c.s.u work. It usually goes like this for a couple of months at a time and then everything comes out all at once. Maybe it's different this time? David -- <- David Herron, an MMDF & WIN/MHS guy, <david@twg.com> <- Formerly: David Herron -- NonResident E-Mail Hack <david@ms.uky.edu> <- <- Remember: On System V it's "tar xovf", not "tar xvf"!
tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) (10/12/90)
I'm not sure that lots of submissions every so often yields less
software than a regular stream of submissions.
As as has been pointed out, the delay has some unexpected advantages
such as, the author notices bugs and sends the fixes or the new version
before the original version was posted by the moderator.
The quality of the software of comp.sources.unix seems to be better
than all other sources newsgroups. Rich must be doing a few things
right.
--
Tom Reingold
tr@samadams.princeton.edu OR ...!princeton!samadams!tr
"Brew strength depends upon the
amount of coffee used." -Black&Deckeroz@yunexus.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) (10/17/90)
In article <3606@rossignol.Princeton.EDU> tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) writes: >The quality of the software of comp.sources.unix seems to be better >than all other sources newsgroups. Rich must be doing a few things >right. Hear hear. oz --- First learn your horn and all the theory. Internet: oz@nexus.yorku.ca Next develop a style. Then forget all that uucp: utzoo/utai!yunexus!oz and just play. Charlie Parker [?] York U. CCS: (416) 736 5257