[comp.sources.d] WWV vs. The Naval Observatory Clock -- Who's Right ?

root@petro.UUCP (Petty System God) (12/28/90)

There have been several programs posted recently to allow one to have
his system call the Naval Observatory clock and have the time set 
all without human intervention.  Having decided that this is a good 
idea I coerced some code into working only to discover that there
appears to be a discrepancy between the time reported by WWV and
that reported by the dial up number at the Naval Observatory.  The
difference is about 12 seconds which I consider significant since both
these guys are supposed to be time standards and should do better than
my Timex.  I noticed, after spending a couple of hours hacking code to
call the Naval Observatory and set the clock, that the time reported by
the Naval Observatory was not the time I expected.  I was expecting something
close to the drumming that WWV was producing in the corner but to my surprise
the Naval Observatory was reporting time about 12 seconds behind WWV.
To confirm the observation I called back the Naval Observatory with cu and
let it report while WWV was reporting over the shortwave -- sure enough when
WWV hit 124900 the Naval Observatory was reporting about 124848.

OK, I give up, who's right ?

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bob@rel.mi.org (Bob Leffler) (12/29/90)

In article <63354@petro.UUCP> root@petro.UUCP (Petty System God) writes:
>the Naval Observatory was reporting time about 12 seconds behind WWV.
>To confirm the observation I called back the Naval Observatory with cu and
>let it report while WWV was reporting over the shortwave -- sure enough when
>WWV hit 124900 the Naval Observatory was reporting about 124848.

My first guess for the difference is the delay intransmitting the data via
the different transports.  i.e.  How long does it for the data to transmit
through the numberous switches, land lines, satelites, etc to reach your
modem?  I'm sure that it is different than shortwave.

bob


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wht@n4hgf.Mt-Park.GA.US (Warren Tucker) (12/29/90)

In article <63354@petro.UUCP> root@petro.UUCP (Petty System God) writes:
>
>... the Naval Observatory was reporting time about 12 seconds behind WWV.
>OK, I give up, who's right ?

Most assuredly it is WWV.  Certainly propagation through the
phone network is no 12 seconds, so the Naval Observatory time
must be just plain wrong.  The WWV time over radio is absolutely
correct (some will disagree, but really, what's a few
femtoseconds among time freaks?).  The propagation delay is a
factor, but my clock ticks are 60HZ :-).
 
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swh@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold) (01/03/91)

Re: Naval Observatory time

To add a data point: I called the Naval Observatory with my PC 
(1-202-653-0351) on New Year's Eve around 23:50 PST, and received a 
time value that matched exactly what US network television was 
displaying as the approach of (local) 1991 was being counted down.

The program that did the dialup reported a 0.07 second delay for the
round-trip signal propogation, so I have difficulty believing that a delay
of 12 seconds is due to networking/routing behaviour.

bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu (David E. Bernholdt) (01/06/91)

In article <-286639992@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> swh@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold) writes:
>Re: Naval Observatory time
>
>The program that did the dialup reported a 0.07 second delay for the
>round-trip signal propogation, so I have difficulty believing that a delay
>of 12 seconds is due to networking/routing behaviour.

Has anyone considered the possibility that they may be reporting
_different_ times -- for example sidereal versus solar?
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