[comp.sys.misc] fan question

poulin@POLAR.BOWDOIN.EDU (Jeff Poulin) (12/13/90)

Here's a dumb little question that I'm not sure of the answer.  Which
direction should the fan be blowing: into the power supply or out of it?
My computer came configured with the fan blowing in (presumably to keep
the stuff in the power supply cool), but I noticed the cards become quite
warm and one of the hard drives starts sounding like a car going 40mph in
first gear if I leave the computer on for more than 12 hours.  Otherwise
it seems to be fine and the hard drive is fairly quiet.  Any takers?

-- Jeff Poulin
poulin@polar.bowdoin.edu
jpoulin@bowdoin.bitnet

zaft@nswses.navy.mil (Gordon C Zaft) (12/14/90)

In article <9012130133.AA24147@polar.bowdoin.edu> poulin@POLAR.BOWDOIN.EDU (Jeff Poulin) writes:
>Here's a dumb little question that I'm not sure of the answer.  Which
>direction should the fan be blowing: into the power supply or out of it?
>My computer came configured with the fan blowing in (presumably to keep
>the stuff in the power supply cool), but I noticed the cards become quite
>warm and one of the hard drives starts sounding like a car going 40mph in
>first gear if I leave the computer on for more than 12 hours.  Otherwise

	Fans on power supplies should never blow into the cabinet, always
OUT.  The idea is to draw cool air into the cabinet, across the cards,
through the power supply and out.

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floyd@ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) (12/15/90)

In article <6606@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> zaft@nswses.navy.mil (Gordon C Zaft) writes:
>In article <9012130133.AA24147@polar.bowdoin.edu> poulin@POLAR.BOWDOIN.EDU (Jeff Poulin) writes:
>>Here's a dumb little question that I'm not sure of the answer.  Which
>>direction should the fan be blowing: into the power supply or out of it?
>>My computer came configured with the fan blowing in (presumably to keep
>>the stuff in the power supply cool), but I noticed the cards become quite
>>warm and one of the hard drives starts sounding like a car going 40mph in
>>first gear if I leave the computer on for more than 12 hours.  Otherwise
>
>	Fans on power supplies should never blow into the cabinet, always
>OUT.  The idea is to draw cool air into the cabinet, across the cards,
>through the power supply and out.
>

Fans should blow into the cabinet.

If the power supply runs hot (not all do, but...) then air flow 
should be controlled such that the heat goes straight out, not
into the rest of the cabinet.

There is one simple reason for this.  The only effective way to 
put an air filter in front of the fan is if it blows in.  the
filter can be directly in front of the fan then.

You don't have a filter?  Get one.

Check this out.  Take a look at good quality test equipment,
say HP or Weco.  90% of it has the fan blowing in and has a
filter.  The other 10% is poorly engineered.

Floyd

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bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) (12/17/90)

In article <6606@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> zaft@nswses.navy.mil (Gordon C Zaft) writes:
>In article <9012130133.AA24147@polar.bowdoin.edu> poulin@POLAR.BOWDOIN.EDU (Jeff Poulin) writes:
>>Here's a dumb little question that I'm not sure of the answer.  Which
>>direction should the fan be blowing: into the power supply or out of it?
>>My computer came configured with the fan blowing in (presumably to keep
>>the stuff in the power supply cool), but I noticed the cards become quite
>>warm and one of the hard drives starts sounding like a car going 40mph in
>>first gear if I leave the computer on for more than 12 hours.  Otherwise
>
>	Fans on power supplies should never blow into the cabinet, always
>OUT.  The idea is to draw cool air into the cabinet, across the cards,
>through the power supply and out.

Just because IBM screwed up the original design there is no reason the
world has to follow.  Fans should always blow IN to a system.  And ideally
they should have a replaceable filter.

You have to design the cabinet properly, and your high draw chips should be
the near the exit - take a good look at an S-100 box that is properly
designed.

The problem with blowing out is that the air comes in at ALL entrances to
the system.  Venturi effects create higher velocities nearer smaller
openings and you such dirt into such thinks as chip sockets, and worst of
all THROUGH floppy drives.  That's a killer. 

Of the compatibles/clones Tandy had one run of their 3000 series that had a
a power supply enclosed in a wide slot cage.  The cooling fan drew in at
the front of the machine through a washable filter.  The air then came
directly across the memory chips, and out through the power supply.
They dropped that later - but it was one of the good things they did.
You will see this approach in many of the newer '486 boxes - and I saw one
that did the above, but used a dual stage fan depending on internal
temperatures.

Designers are finally starting to design things, not just copy a poorly
designed piece of equipment.


Pressurizing any component is the only real way to prevent hot spots, along
with proper layout.

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bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) (12/17/90)

In article <6606@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> zaft@nswses.navy.mil (Gordon C Zaft) writes:
>In article <9012130133.AA24147@polar.bowdoin.edu> poulin@POLAR.BOWDOIN.EDU (Jeff Poulin) writes:
>>Here's a dumb little question that I'm not sure of the answer.  Which
>>direction should the fan be blowing: into the power supply or out of it?

>	Fans on power supplies should never blow into the cabinet, always
>OUT.  The idea is to draw cool air into the cabinet, across the cards,
>through the power supply and out.

A quick addendum in addition to my previous post.  Everyone keeps thinking
of the fan as part of the power supply.  In a "assemble" the component type
industry that at least makes sure the power supply doesn't burn up, but the
fan really should not be part of the power suppy, it should be part of the
cabinet, and the cabinet should be designed to direct the air flow
appropriately.

-- 
Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill
                      : bill@bilver.UUCP

jonu@FtCollins.NCR.com (Jon Udell) (12/18/90)

> Check this out.  Take a look at good quality test equipment,
> say HP or Weco.  90% of it has the fan blowing in and has a
> filter.  The other 10% is poorly engineered.

Thus 10% of good quality test equipment is poorly engineered?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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