[comp.sys.nsc.32k] To clarify further unclarified issues..

jkh@meepmeep.pcs.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) (05/09/90)

Some people have apparently gotten the misleading impression that I
intend, at some point, on distributing a 4.3 port for the pc532. I'm
sorry if I gave that impression, but this is simply not the case.

My earlier "call for a consortium" among UNIX developers was aimed
strictly at banding together that small group of folk (less than 5% of the
pc532 owners, I'd say) who are bent on going their own way, for whatever
reason. The majority of you seem to be happy enough to go along with
Dave in his efforts to get SYSV, which I applaud and hope succeed, and that
is fine.  A mainstream UNIX for the pc532 will also further legitimize the
machine and encourage further hardware development, which we need.
I, however, will never run SYSV on my pc532 and cannot benefit
(at least not directly) from these efforts. I don't want to start a
religious war here, but I really cannot conceive of running SYSV while
I have a shred of choice in the matter. I, quite simply, loath it to the
core. Why? Well, maybe it's because I cannot count the number of hours of
my life I have wasted fighting to port various BSD applications to SYSV
or going through the agonizing process of trying to get useful work done
in a single-terminal environment without job control. I'm sorry, but I will
not willingly subject myself to further aggravation along these lines. That
would be masochistic.

I know that these are strong opinions, and I'll probably get flamed for them
(which is fine, but please, not on the list), but I guess I've just had it
up-to-here with what seems to be the pervasive "we've got SYSV running,
what more do you want" attitude that the major hardware vendors have taken
(for what I am sure are very good, sound, business reasons, but I can hate
them just the same).

Sorry, I guess I didn't mean to froth at the mouth quite so much,
but my spleen has needed venting for a long time.. :-)

In any case, the license we have here is a research / commercial license
which allows us to port to new hardware, and I am sort of trying to
work under this (admittedly shakey) umbrella. If worse comes to worse,
I will try and get it more fully declared as an official project. This still
does not allow me to ever redistribute so much as one byte of binary
code, and I do not intend (nor did I ever intend) to do so. I am not
trying to supplant Dave's efforts by any means, I would simply like to
get in touch with that small pc532 faction that also has access to
source and can perhaps share diffs/helpful hints in relation to a pc532
port.

I hope that this clears everything up. (God, I hate this legal $@#%$#@!!).

					Jordan

ian@sibyl.eleceng.ua.oz.au (05/09/90)

Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
 > My earlier "call for a consortium" among UNIX developers was aimed
 > strictly at banding together that small group of folk (less than 5% of the
 > pc532 owners, I'd say) who are bent on going their own way, for whatever
 > reason. The majority of you seem to be happy enough to go along with
 > Dave in his efforts to get SYSV, which I applaud and hope succeed, and that
 > is fine.

Well, what I *really* would like is mach.

Dave, is this true about getting SYSV? Last I heard you asked who was
interested in what, then posted saying "No promises, but I may be able to
get Unix". Not an exact quote, but I am pretty sure that which sort of
unix was left unspecified. In any case what is the progress?

Ian Dall

dlr@daver.bungi.com (Dave Rand) (05/10/90)

[In the message entitled "To clarify further unclarified issues.." on May 10,  2:47, ian@sibyl.eleceng.ua.oz.au writes:]
> 
> Dave, is this true about getting SYSV? Last I heard you asked who was
> interested in what, then posted saying "No promises, but I may be able to
> get Unix". Not an exact quote, but I am pretty sure that which sort of
> unix was left unspecified. In any case what is the progress?
> 

The exact quote was <egrep, mush, shuffle, etc>

> Message-Id: <m0gc9Nn-0000CDC@daver.uu.net>
> From: dlr@daver.UU.NET (Dave Rand)
> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 89 20:17:25 PST
> Subject: Santa is here.
> 
> [ deleted]
> 
> In addition ( ** no promises ** ), we are working on a UNIX solution.
> I will, as always, let you know what this will be. This will not impact
> any of the other efforts for software.

Here we are, 5 months later. I am still trying to get the details finalized.
Three weeks ago, I thought I was one day from signing the papers. Then some
problems came up. Sigh. *nothing* is ever as simple as you think it is.

I tend not to tell you <the group> about things until they are done, or
at least at a point such that I can commit times and dates. It prevents
frustration on your behalf, and on mine.

So, the official statement: We are working on more than one UNIX solution.
No promises. I will, as always, let you know what these will be. They will
not impact any of the other efforts in progress.

BTW - all boards from this run have been shipped to those that have ordered
them. We have (I think) 1 board left over at this point. We now have over
100 PCB's out! I never thought that there would be so much interest!  Thanks
to all of you, and we look forward to some interesting projects in the next
few months...

-- 
Dave Rand
{pyramid|hoptoad|sun|vsi1}!daver!dlr	Internet: dlr@daver.bungi.com