[comp.sys.nsc.32k] pc532 costs

** Sender Unknown ** (04/15/91)

OK, since someone wanted to know how much he was going to be in for,
and I haven't seen anyone post the information here goes...

(This is all from memory, so the numbers may be close, I hope...)

motherboard          $200  (George and Dave)
CPU FPU ICU          Free  (sampled by Pioneer and NS)
EPROM and Clock      Free  (Dallas Semi NV-RAM and DS1216, check the org line)
some sockets leds    $40   (Tanners junk parts shop)
other parts, Steve   $235  (Steve)
ST296 80MB drive     $350  (Soft Warehouse)
case & pwr supply    $175  (local wholesale, a friend has an account there...)
MacMinix 1.5         $170  (Taylor's Tech. books)

total:          about $1200 your milage may vary

I hear that the CPU FPU ICU go for about $800??? (is it $500?), so expect to
pay about $2000 for everything and several hours to solder, several days to
debug if you made a mistake, and several weeks/months to collect the parts...

Was this close guys?  Or is my memory going bad like the battery controller in
the first NV-RAM I tried to use (shouldn't try using rejects... 8-(, etc...

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maniac@convex.convex.com (04/16/91)

Just after posting the stuff about my costs, I thought some people might
want to know a bit about the speed of the board too.  NOTE: this is
a bad, non-typical load (unless all you do is compute pi 8-)

the previously posted (months ago) pi program:
TurboC (the one on the market in 6-89) all opts on: ~36 min
MSC 6.0 (all opts on):                              ~15 min
Metaware High C & PharLap Dos Ext. (no opts)          2:48 min

pc532, minix 1.3, gcc 1.35?    (default shipment)     2:56 min
pc532, minix 1.3, gcc 1.35? -O                        2:26 min

the PC tested was a 20MHz 1MB DTK 386.  Numbers are as I remember them, not
accurate.
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rhyde@maris.ucr.edu (randy hyde) (04/17/91)

My costs:

PCB - 200
CPU etc. - 550
ttl & parts (thanks, Steve, I still haven't sent the goodies back): $360
memory - $200 (4 megs so far, I'm waiting for 4mbyte simms to come down)
Disk drive - $800 (330 mbyte Miniscribe)
Case & pwr supply - 80
Minix - $170 (egghead, though I haven't bought it yet)

This is probably the bare minimum: about $2,500 (with solder and all)
I also bought lots of EPROMs and an EPROM programmer for another $200
(so I could try writing my own monitor, I'm still working on it).

I lucked out (or was unlucky, depending on how you want to look at it)
and picked
up a second board around here for $600 incl all TTL, CPU/FPU/ICU.  Most
everything
except sockets and RAM (sockets for TTL, that is).  Total cost $600.

Both boards pretty much worked right after assembly (parity still
doesn't work on
one of the boards, the other had an initial probably because I didn't seat the
SIMMs well).  All told, I've probably invested $3,500 in both boards
(still have
one case and disk drive to go, plus 32 megs of RAM when 4 mbyte simms come down
in price).  Gee- I could'a bought a NeXT!  Oh well, the 32532 chip is a
lot more
fun than the 68040, even if it is slower (btw, I program mostly in assembly `
language, and there are few machines as nice to program in assembly as the
32000.  That is the whole reason I bought into this system).
*** Randy Hyde

wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (04/17/91)

Re: Randy Hyde's comments about the 68040. Are there any barebones 68040
projects out there? It looks like the first 680x0 chip for which there would
be any point ( bang for buck) to doing a project of the nature of the pc532.
Clarence Wilkerson

maniac@convex.convex.com (04/17/91)

> the PC tested was a 20MHz 1MB DTK 386.  Numbers are as I remember them, not
> accurate.

Oops, the word necessarily should be inbetween 'not' and 'accurate'.  I believe
the numbers are accurate in spirit, if not absolute terms...

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