JOURV765@KSUVXA.KENT.EDU ("JOHN VAN HUFFEL: COMPUTER SCI. MAJOR") (05/03/90)
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Someone called me a couple of weeks ago asking about Flight Simulator
II for the Atari 8-bit. Please give me another call. I'm
considering selling the system separately now. My number is
916-894-0887.
Ed Krimen
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Since I haven't seen anything from the listserv for quite some time now,
I'll just say what I have to say about Flight Simulator II...
I Love the program. I had it even before I got my 800XL & 1050 drive.
Now I have a 130XE % the new XF551 drive, but for some reason, Flight
Simulator II won't work when I have the XF551 hooked up. I have to set my
2nd drive (the 1050) to be drive #1 in order for the program to run
without any errors. There's no way to isolate the problem when I get the error
because it gives me a different error each time. Luckily I still have my
trusty 'ol 1050 disk drive. :)
By the way... are there any new and interesting 8-bit BBS's out there?
Thanks,
John - A loyal Atari 8-bit user.
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Common Sense! :)nin15b0b@merrimack.edu (05/04/90)
In article <9005030505.AA22343@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>, JOURV765@KSUVXA.KENT.EDU ("JOHN VAN HUFFEL: COMPUTER SCI. MAJOR") writes: > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Previous Message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Someone called me a couple of weeks ago asking about Flight Simulator > II for the Atari 8-bit. Please give me another call. I'm > considering selling the system separately now. My number is > 916-894-0887. > > Ed Krimen > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Since I haven't seen anything from the listserv for quite some time now, > I'll just say what I have to say about Flight Simulator II... > I Love the program. I had it even before I got my 800XL & 1050 drive. > Now I have a 130XE % the new XF551 drive, but for some reason, Flight > Simulator II won't work when I have the XF551 hooked up. I have to set my > 2nd drive (the 1050) to be drive #1 in order for the program to run > without any errors. There's no way to isolate the problem when I get the error > because it gives me a different error each time. Luckily I still have my > trusty 'ol 1050 disk drive. :) > By the way... are there any new and interesting 8-bit BBS's out there? > Thanks, FSII wont work with the XF551 because of the copy protection scheme it uses, and the timing holes. Some information was written about this a while back in either Antic or Analog.
conklin@frith.uucp (Terry Conklin) (05/04/90)
[] Being in flight school, I was more than distressed to find that Flight Sim II wont work with the XF551 because of the 551's industry standard 300 RPM drive speed. There's no hope other than keeping your 1050. I called Sublogic on the rumor that there was an upgrade disk and they quite clearly told me to get stuffed. Thanks guys. I've got a 386 too, and had fun with Flight Sim 4.0, but now that I'm running Unix I need flight sim back on the 8-bit and - sigh - no dice. Anyone out there good with 6502 game to wander through the disk and pull the protection scheme? Terry Conklin uunet!frith!conklin conklin@egr.msu.edu The Club (517) 372-3131
rmartin@topaz.rutgers.edu (Richard Martin) (05/04/90)
John- I think that you are stuck using your 1050. Do you think that the xf551 is 'worth it'. I have an old 1050 that makes funny clicking noises but other that that seems to work fine. I was thinking of getting another drive, but unless the xf551 is much better I think I will hold off on getting one. Here is a list of atari bbs. I have not called all of them up, but most of them are fairly interesting. (201) 727-2537 Hell Hole (201) 805-3967 Blank Page (314) 647-3290 Gateway (314) 291-0205 sylph (312) 843-7717 wishing chair (215) 624-6347 final frontier (407) 290-0404 atari domain club (408) 745-5308 Atari corp. xBBS also,you can FTP to terminator.cc.umich.edu to get some atari programs, mostly telecommunications. -Rich ain't go no signature
tribe@groucho (05/05/90)
In article <May.4.00.21.35.1990.6472@topaz.rutgers.edu> rmartin@topaz.rutgers.edu (Richard Martin) writes: >...I was thinking of >getting another drive, but unless the xf551 is much better I think I >will hold off on getting one.... With about _3 times_ the storage and _double speed_ read and write (compared to a 1050 using 2.5) I couldn't live without my '551 and SDX. In fact it is my only drive! Flight Sim. is available on CARTRIDGE (thus no disk except for scenery...) BUT only when you buy an XE-GS. Seems to me that if they're gonna ditch the 8-bits they might as well release FSII on cart to the masses! I'm not gonna buy an XE-GS or a 1050 just for FSII! -- Duane Tribe tribe@ted.cs.uidaho.edu
hans@umd5.umd.edu (Hans Breitenlohner) (05/05/90)
In article <1990May4.023039.11492@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> conklin@frith.uucp (Terry Conklin) writes: > >Anyone out there good with 6502 game to wander through the disk and pull >the protection scheme? > >Terry Conklin >uunet!frith!conklin >conklin@egr.msu.edu >The Club (517) 372-3131 If I had an XF551 and Flight Simulator (I have neither) I would try one of the following: 1. Permanently slow down the drive from 300 rpm to 288 rpm. This should be close enough that things don't break too badly. Or, if that does not work ... 2. Install a switch to change drive speed on the fly. Or, if somebody wants to donate an XF551 and Flight Simulator, I would love to work on breaking the copy protection scheme! Given the price of used 1050s and 810s I fear nobody will take me up on that offer. FS II uses a particularly nasty copy-protection scheme. Normally each disk track has sectors numbered 1-18. On the FS II disk, there are sectors 1-16, and two sectors numbered 17. When you go to read that sector, it depends on the timing (based on what sector you read last, and how long ago) which of the two copies of sector 17 you get. Some games do such things on one track, just to check the copy protection. But FS II does so on every track, and they might even have valid stuff in both sectors, picking what they get by what sector they read before. This scheme is fragile, as it will fail, for instance, if the disk drive retries the read because of an error. And the fact that a change from 288 to 300 rpm broke it shows how little margin for error they left. I guess all we can do at this point is to be sure to remember this the next time we are tempted to buy a product from SubLogic.
UN020212@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU (05/06/90)
I'm interested in the 1050 disk drive if you wish to sell it seperatly.... Thanks Daniel L. Crawford