yoshio@ucrmath.ucr.edu (yoshio nakamura) (03/29/90)
In article <3634@tahoe.unr.edu> unrvax!tahoe.unr.EDU!wheeler!mikew@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Whitbeck) writes: > >I am seeking recommendations for an inexpensive (a relative term :-) >uni*x box (68010 or 68020, 68881 math chip, 2M ram, 30M hard disk) >3 BSD UNIX and not otherwise what one >would call a computer-hacker. Any recommendations (vendor, address or >phone, $$ guesstimate) would be welcome (please reply by e-mail if >possible). THANKS! > ~ ___________________________________________________________ > ~ |Mike Whitbeck | mikew@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu | I'm looking for one too. Pointers to a place that sells used unix machines would be useful, can someone recommend any? Also, I'm looking for newsletters/catalogs of used machines, like the _Used Computer Locator_(full of classifieds). Does anyone know of any more newsletters like this? Email or Post answers, email is preferred. -yoshio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yoshio Nakamura Internet: yoshio@ucrmath.ucr.edu University of Calif., Riverside uucp: {ucsd, uci, ucdavis}!ucrmath!yoshio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yoshio Nakamura Internet: yoshio@ucrmath.ucr.edu University of Calif., Riverside uucp: {ucsd, uci, ucdavis}!ucrmath!yoshio
schultz@motcid.UUCP (Rob Schultz) (03/29/90)
yoshio@ucrmath.ucr.edu (yoshio nakamura) writes: In article <3634@tahoe.unr.edu> unrvax!tahoe.unr.EDU!wheeler!mikew@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Whitbeck) writes: > >I am seeking recommendations for an inexpensive (a relative term :-) >uni*x box (68010 or 68020, 68881 math chip, 2M ram, 30M hard disk) >3 BSD UNIX and not otherwise what one >would call a computer-hacker. Any recommendations (vendor, address or >phone, $$ guesstimate) would be welcome (please reply by e-mail if >possible). THANKS! > ~ ___________________________________________________________ > ~ |Mike Whitbeck | mikew@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu | Look into the Motorola Delta Series 3000. These are 68030 based machines, which pack quite a wallop for the buck. The Delta Series is available in quite a few configurations, from low end (up to 8 active users) to the high end (up to 96 or more users). The Delta Series supports Xwindows, Oracle, Unify, Informix, and the OS is System V/68 Rel 3. Speeds range from 16MHz to 3MHz. MC68882 available for all models. RAM 4MB to 40MB. 3 to 20 VMEbus slots. Disk Storage is .344GB to 2.4GB. LAN Support is TCP/IP, XNS, OSI. I do not know prices for the low-end systems as I have been looking at the very-high-end of the spectrum. But since "inexpensive" is a relative term, the boxes I have been looking at have the best price/performance ratio I have seen, and the performance is outstanding. Please note that I do not work for Motorola Computer Division, and am not endorsing the products other than as a user. My group currently is researching various Unix systems to provide a test bed adequate for our (not insignificant) needs. We are currently awaiting a bit more information as to whether we can do several slightly unusual things. An interesting aside, on the higher end, the Delta Series 8000, which is based on the 88100 RISC architecture, is actually cheaper than the corresponding Series 3000 in some configurations! See your local Motorola Computer Dealer for details. 800 - 556 - 1234 ext. 165. In California, 800 - 441 - 2345 ext. 165. -- Thanks - Rob Schultz, Motorola General Systems Sector rms 1501 W Shure Dr, Arlington Heights, IL 60004 708 / 632 - 2757 schultzr@cell.mot.com !uunet!motcid!schultzr "There is no innocence - only pain." (Usual disclaimers)
alex@otter.acslab.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain) (03/30/90)
In article <5102@ucrmath.UCR.EDU> yoshio@ucrmath.ucr.edu () writes: >I am seeking recommendations for an inexpensive (a relative term :-) >uni*x box (68010 or 68020, 68881 math chip, 2M ram, 30M hard disk) I recommend an AT&T unix-pc. 68010 processor, bitmapped display, keyboard, mouse, modem, 512K->2M on the motherboard (expand up to 4Megs), 20->67meg disk (with 2nd disk optional) serial and parrallel ports. The OS is sysVr2 with VM and shared libraries. Nice box, very reliable. They run about $800->$1500 new, less used. There are a set of newgroups (unix-pc.*) devoted to the machine, and USENIX has been hosting unix-pc BOF's recently (They have quite the devoted following). The drawbacks are: 1) there is a 4meg limit on the virtual memory map, so really large programs (Common Lisp Compilers) have space problems. 2) There isn't a good way to upgrade the processor 3) No floating point 4) No easy ethernet (cards exist, but they're scarce). If you can live with that, its a great machine for the money. There is a fair bit of software for it: most of the GNU code runs out of the box, KCL, MGR, TeX are all available. email me for more info, or subscribe to unix-pc.general and listen in. ################################# :alex. #Disclamer: Anyone who agrees # University of Maryland Baltimore County #with me deserves what they get.# alex@umbc3.umbc.edu #################################
krukar@pprg.unm.edu (Richard Krukar [CHTM]) (04/03/90)
I agree with the advice to look into the Motorola 3000 series. I recently ordered (another) one and am looking forward to getting it. As a university type I get a 40% price break on both hardware and software. As a Motorolan, you might do even better. I recommend against the unix-pc from AT&T. The EECE department here at the U. of New Mexico had nothing but bad luck with them. However, we were using them to teach C and some computer design. If we just let them sit in a corner and hum, things might have worked out better. We ended up giving them to the library after they sat in storage for teo years. Other universities I have talked to did similar things with their AT&T stuff. In the past I have posted messages wailing about Motorolas customer support and university support. Here is what is happening: University support is now being handled by the regional sales offices. These folks are fully staffed and are fairly prompt at returning calls and such. They also know their products and have some pretty good sales/system engineers. Customer support seems to be improving. I recieved some email specifically addressing the networking bug I kept crying about. The bug was fixed (I here) two releases ago. The universities cost for a new operating system (version 3.6) and the associated network services extension will be (1600 + 950)*.6 = 1530. I believe that the new software will support NFS, which means I can serve my system V boxes off of our BSD style servers. I guess the real test will be when I configure my Delta 1147 system as an X11R4 server and use a DecStation or Sun to display. ...Regards Richard Krukar (krukar@pprg.unm.edu) CHTM University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131