[sci.electronics] VCR's sensitivity to UHF

chikarma@hpindda.HP.COM (Sanjay Chikarmane) (03/29/88)

I recently purchased a VCR (Sanyo VHR3250HQ), which according to
the manufacturer's specifications is cable ready and can receive
channels 1-12(VHF) and 13-83(UHF). The model was reviewed in a very
recent Consumer Reports, and rated 2nd best in a very recent Consumer 
Reports.

While its reception of the VHF channels is very good, I find that
it is virtually unable to tune in to the UHF channels. I can receive
these channels quite well on my TV, and a many UHF channels
in this area have strong signals - KTEH channel 54 (San Jose, CA)
for instance. But the VCR's lack of sensitivity to the UHF channels
prevents me from being able to record anything from those channels.

I know a couple of friends with other VCRs having the same problem.
Do any of you experts out there have an insight into this problem? 
Are VCRs inherently less sensitive to UHF than TVs? I am considering
returning this model and trying another one, but that one could well
have the same problem. If anyone out there has or knows of a VCR which
decent UHF reception, I would be interested in knowing the make & model.

Thanks,

Sanjay Chikarmane

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(408)447-3428

jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) (03/30/88)

     In some previous discussions on UHF channel allocation, someone pointed
out, correctly, that the selectivity of the UHF tuners in most TV sets is
abysmal.  Adjacent-channel interference is common, as is interference from
harmonics of other channels.  Are there any standalone UHF tuners (UHF in,
composite video out, as few other functions as possible) with better
selectivity?

					John Nagle

c4s@rayssdb.ray.com (Charles A. Sefranek) (04/01/88)

In article <3230001@hpindda.HP.COM> chikarma@hpindda.HP.COM (Sanjay Chikarmane) writes:
> ...
>While its reception of the VHF channels is very good, I find that
>it is virtually unable to tune in to the UHF channels. I can receive
>these channels quite well on my TV, ...
>
>I know a couple of friends with other VCRs having the same problem.
> ...

	Before you return it, try one thing - BE SURE THE VCR IS NOT
SETTING DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE TV !!
	I'm not sure why, but many times the TV interferes with the operation
of equipment directly below it, especially the bottom left corner of the TV.
I think the flyback transformer may be here.
	I just rescued a friend's VCR from a similar fate. Simply moving it
farther away from the TV restored it to full hi-quality operation.

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Scott_Lawrence_Statton@cup.portal.com (04/03/88)

Another reason to not put your VCR near your television....
(A story)
  A friend of mine and I were experimenting with measuring how much
 delay there was between two stations picking up the same programming
 (During the daytime KRCB (Then 22) Rohnert Park, rebroadcast KQED
 channel 9 Educational TV)  -- anyway, we discovered that the
 local oscialltor of the BIG TV totally >OBLITERATED< the entire
 IF strip of the little one .... Moving them farther apart helped
 100%.....

 duhhhhhhh what's a .SIGNATURE?
   Scott_Lawrence_Statton@cup.portal.com [soon to have name shortened]

mbutts@mntgfx.mentor.com (Mike Butts) (04/05/88)

 In article <3230001@hpindda.HP.COM> chikarma@hpindda.HP.COM (Sanjay Chikarmane) writes:
> ...
>While its reception of the VHF channels is very good, I find that
>it is virtually unable to tune in to the UHF channels. I can receive
>these channels quite well on my TV, ...
>

While we're on the subject, I've had trouble with limited dynamic range on **VHF**
on two current VCRs.  On a new Quasar (Matsushita) unit, and on a new JVC unit, 
both middle-priced and both with "digital" (i.e. synthesized) tuning, I've seen 
serious grainy-ness (i.e. video noise), which looked like a weak or mistuned signal,
due to an overly **strong** signal.  This is only on some VHF channels, not all.

The signal source was admittedly stronger than most: a multi-element beam on the
roof looking at the towers, about 5 miles away.  (The beam is to eliminate ghosting,
not, obviously, to increase signal strength.)  I found that the signal was much 
improved with an attenuator.  Across the supposed 20db range of a Radio Shack variable 
attenuator, I can get grainy-ness at either end, too strong or too weak.  
In the middle it's nice and crisp.  Awfully poor dynamic range, if you ask me.  
I also observed the UHF weakness others have mentioned, so I had to kludge up a split 
un-attenuated bypass path for my UHF.

Neither the synthesized Sony monitor/TV, nor the 1983 analog-thumbwheel-tuned 
Magnavox (Matsushita) VCR, has these problems.

I hope someone else can improve their reception with these pointers.

P.S. I love the JVC VCR, otherwise.

 
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