[sci.electronics] LORAN C

dsp@oakhill.UUCP (Generic DSP account) (04/12/88)

 I recently purchased a used TI 9900 LORAN-C receiver.  I would like
 to procure the schematics for this beast.  Is anyone out there familiar
 with this receiver??  The thing is not tracking the Loran stations at
 all....even though the receiver output shows the GRI pulses.  A source
 for schematics or advice would be greatly appreciated.

 Charlie Thompson
 (512) 892-6161
 Austin, TX

commgrp@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (BACS Data Communications Group) (04/12/88)

>I recently purchased a used TI 9900 LORAN-C receiver.  I would like
>to procure the schematics for this beast.  Is anyone out there familiar
>with this receiver??  The thing is not tracking the Loran stations at
>all....even though the receiver output shows the GRI pulses.  A source
>for schematics or advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Charlie Thompson
>(512) 892-6161
>Austin, TX

There may be nothing wrong with the receiver.  LORAN-C works poorly or 
not at all in most of Texas because of unsuitable geometry relative to 
transmitting stations, even though signals are strong.  A baseline 
extension (area of ambiguity) of the Southeast Chain runs between 
Dallas and Austin; my car-mounted Micrologic ML-5000 was totally 
unusable (would not track) from just south of Dallas to San Antonio; 
it gave error indications west of Dallas because the repeatable 
accuracy was greater than 1000 feet (due to very obtuse crossing-
angles between lines of position).

No other LORAN chains have sufficient signal strength in Texas. I 
tried the Great Lakes Chain but couldn't get enough signal from 
Minnesota; it might be worthwhile to experiment with cycle-stepping (a 
weak-signal technique).

New  transmitters, due to be operational by 1990, will fill the "mid-
continent gap" and provide primary coverage in Texas.  Existing LORAN 
receivers will require ROM upgrades to use the new stations.  See 
_Aviation Week & Space Technology_ magazine, Sept. 28, 1987 p. 120.

All LORAN-C stations are on the same frequency, 100.000000 kHz, and 
transmit their pulses in a sequence precisely controlled by atomic 
clocks.  Stations are grouped into "chains" which are selected by 
their group repetition interval (GRI).  Three stations of a chain (a 
master and two secondaries) must be received to calculate a unique 
fix, however, only two stations can establish the receiver's position 
somewhere on a hyperbolic line of position.

LORAN-C transmitting stations are impressive!  Output power ranges 
from 400 kW to 1.2 MW.  Antennas are 600 or more feet tall, with many 
long top-hat radials.  Stations are manned by the U.S. Coast Guard, 
and have diesel generators for emergency power.

--

Frank
W9MKV @ WA8YVR
reid@gold.bacs.indiana.edu
BITnet: reid@iubacs

budden@tetra.NOSC.MIL (Rex A. Buddenberg) (04/14/88)

Frank had most of the specs right.  625 foot towers are the most
common ones in the US.  But we still run a half dozen high power
stations (I had Iwo Jima in 1980).  1.8 Mwatts thru a 1250 foot
tower.  The high power stations still don't have the solid state
transmitters -- each push-pull transmitter has 2 first intermediate
power amp tubes -- air cooled, about 10 inches tall plus 2
second IPA air cooled tubes about foot and a half tall and 7 pairs
of driver tubes which stand about 3 feet tall and are water cooled.
The transmitters are walk-in -- we have two at each station side
by side with a passageway down the middle.  Great excitement when
the transmission line shorts out !!-).

Rex Buddenberg

johne@hpvcla.HP.COM (John Eaton) (04/16/88)

<<<<
<
< LORAN-C transmitting stations are impressive!  Output power ranges 
< from 400 kW to 1.2 MW.  Antennas are 600 or more feet tall, with many 
< long top-hat radials.  Stations are manned by the U.S. Coast Guard, 
< and have diesel generators for emergency power.
--
How do they compare with OMEGA broadcast sites? You would think they have
to do something spectacular to transmit at 10 Khz.

 
  
John Eaton
!hpvcla!johne
 

henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (04/16/88)

> LORAN-C transmitting stations are impressive!  Output power ranges 
> from 400 kW to 1.2 MW.  Antennas are 600 or more feet tall, with many 
> long top-hat radials...

If you want to see impressive, find a diagram of an Omega station.  It's
just as well that only about a dozen of them are needed to cover the
world; they are *enormous*.
-- 
"Noalias must go.  This is           |  Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
non-negotiable."  --DMR              | {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,utai}!utzoo!henry