cgs@umd5.umd.edu (Chris Sylvain) (04/25/88)
[For the curious folks who've never heard of SPICE:] MicroSim is a software company in California, the address is part of the DOC file. The full product costs about $3000 with all the bells and whistles included, this demo will at least give you a taste for them. The Demo I posted is actually *USEFUL*, albeit limited. It doesn't just spit pleasant looking graphics at you. For the casual circuit analysis (you're limited to 10 transistors, so I guess that means a passive circuit of no more than 30-40 nodes -- I haven't explored the full limit of the "Demo"), it's a nice thing to have without having bought the full package. (You can convince your boss later that you just can't live without having the full product at your disposal!) I'm a satisified MicroSim customer, and I wouldn't post this "demo" if all it was is an advertisement. (You think I'd really blatantly waste netbandwidth? I'm posting this because of the flurry of curious inquiries) -- --==---==---==-- .. All mimsy were the borogoves, .. ARPA: cgs@umd5.UMD.EDU BITNET: cgs%umd5@umd2 UUCP: ..!uunet!umd5.umd.edu!cgs
larry@sgistl.SGI.COM (Larry Autry) (04/27/88)
In article <2622@umd5.umd.edu>, cgs@umd5.umd.edu (Chris Sylvain) writes:
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< The full product costs about $3000 with all the bells and
< whistles included, this demo will at least give you a taste for them.
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< The Demo I posted is actually *USEFUL*, albeit limited. It doesn't just
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< For the casual circuit analysis (you're limited to 10 transistors, so I
< guess that means a passive circuit of no more than 30-40 nodes -- I haven't
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Ten transistors? Great! Thats not only useless, but ridiculous. Please
dont' post crap like that and expect the entire net to pass it down the
line. I never flame anyone, but this posting deserves it.
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{ucbvax,sun,ames,pryamid,decwrl}!sgi!sgistl!larrykad@ttrde.UUCP (Keith Drescher) (04/28/88)
In article <5595@sgistl.SGI.COM> larry@sgistl.SGI.COM (Larry Autry) writes: >In article <2622@umd5.umd.edu>, cgs@umd5.umd.edu (Chris Sylvain) writes: >< >< The full product costs about $3000 with all the bells and >< whistles included, this demo will at least give you a taste for them. >< >< The Demo I posted is actually *USEFUL*, albeit limited. It doesn't just >< spit pleasant looking graphics at you. >< >< For the casual circuit analysis (you're limited to 10 transistors, so I >< guess that means a passive circuit of no more than 30-40 nodes -- I haven't >< UUCP: ..!uunet!umd5.umd.edu!cgs > >Ten transistors? Great! Thats not only useless, but ridiculous. Please >dont' post crap like that and expect the entire net to pass it down the >line. I never flame anyone, but this posting deserves it. >-- > Larry Autry I have to disagree that this version of PSPICE is useless. There is a class of people to whom this would be very useful (I think). That class of people is STUDENTS (quite of few of them use this network). I remember using spice back when I was an undergrad and 10 transistors would have been more than enough for the circuits we simulated. Of course, for REAL designs, Larry is right, but the Demo would be useful for many of the "Introduction to transistor circuit analysis and design with computer applications" type classes that I have seen offered by various universities. Perhaps the PSPICE people are even targeting this class of people with their demo, i.e. it will be useful (and free) to a student, and then when the student gets to the real world, s/he'll be familiar with the product and convince his/her boss to purchase the full blown thing. A nice touch. The thing is very obviously useless for the practicing professional (I didn't download it because I don't find demos worth the effort of uudecoding, downloading, and de-arcing). Anyway, perhaps we shouldn't flame things JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE OF NO USE TO US. Perhaps someone else on the net would find it useful. -- Keith Drescher (kad@ttrdc) | ... You can check out any AT&T | time you like - but you can Computer Systems Division, Skokie, Il. | never leave ... PATH: ...!ihnp4!ttrdc!kad | - Hotel California
cgs@umd5.umd.edu (Chris Sylvain) (04/28/88)
In article <5595@sgistl.SGI.COM> larry@sgistl.SGI.COM (Larry Autry) writes: >In article <2622@umd5.umd.edu>, cgs@umd5.umd.edu (Chris Sylvain) writes: >< >< The Demo I posted is actually *USEFUL*, albeit limited. It doesn't just >< spit pleasant looking graphics at you. >< >< For the casual circuit analysis (you're limited to 10 transistors, so I >< guess that means a passive circuit of no more than 30-40 nodes -- > >Ten transistors? Great! Thats not only useless, but ridiculous. Please >dont' post crap like that ... [blah, blah, woof, woof] >larry@sgistl.sgi.com I hope the net will please 'scuse me, but I feel I must respond to this insult in order to maintain a "stress-free" [NBC] existence. Read no further, if your wont is not to see flame. Hey, smartman! So tell me then, how many transistors were in the recently discussed RIAA filter, huh ?!! Look, I suppose analysis of a Chebyschev filter is beneath you or something, right ? You don't analyze on or two transistor circuits anymore 'cause they're "trivial" or rather not stimulating enough to your most discriminating sensibilities!!! Stay off my CRT, smartman! (Honest, my .signature program picks these at random, really it does!) -- --==---==---==-- .. the Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, .. ARPA: cgs@umd5.UMD.EDU BITNET: cgs%umd5@umd2 UUCP: ..!uunet!umd5.umd.edu!cgs
sct@beta.UUCP (Stephen Tenbrink) (04/30/88)
In article <5595@sgistl.SGI.COM>, larry@sgistl.SGI.COM (Larry Autry) writes: > Ten transistors? Great! Thats not only useless, but ridiculous. Please > dont' post crap like that and expect the entire net to pass it down the > -- > Larry Autry > larry@sgistl.sgi.com It may be useless for you, Larry, but others may find it worth while. You can always hit the old 'n' key if you don't like something. Don't try to tell me, or others, what is ridiculous, let us be the judge! I agree you're not going to design a 40 watt stereo amp with 10 transistors but there is some educational benifit to it.
c60b-gk@buddy.Berkeley.EDU (James Chou) (05/01/88)
Can anyone post the PSPICE documentation on the net? Thanks. James Chou