rsd@sei.cmu.edu.UUCP (07/12/88)
In article <1309@kodak.UUCP> barry ornitz writes about a speaker design publication list: >;-) I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are > included. I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers > can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element > analysis means. :-) > > Barry L. Ornitz Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that there at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you... Rich
mark@mips.COM (Mark G. Johnson) (07/13/88)
>>;-) I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are >> included. I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers >> can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element >> analysis means. :-) >> >> Barry L. Ornitz $ $ Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I $ presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that $ there at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you... Count another person. I use these tools in _electronics_ applications, though.... presumably B. Orintz was thinking of mechanical uses like speaker cone design... -- -- Mark Johnson MIPS Computer Systems, 930 E. Arques, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 ...!decwrl!mips!mark (408) 991-0208
zentner@cb.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Zentner) (07/14/88)
In article <2585@obiwan.mips.COM> mark@obiwan.UUCP writes: >;-) I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are > included. I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers > can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element > analysis means. :-) > > Barry L. Ornitz How aout this! These techniques are widely used in various chemical and industrial engineering applications. Chock up another mark for someone who knows what these terms mean :-). Guess that makes four as far as I've seen on this end. However, as mentioned by another taker, I'm not familiar with these applied to speaker design. .. .. -- Mike Zentner School of Chemical Engineering zentner@ca.ecn.purdue.edu Purdue University, CMET Building zentner@purche.bitnet West Lafayette, IN 47907 {ihnp4,ucbvax}!pur-ee!zentner
daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) (07/14/88)
>>>;-) I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are >>> included. I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers >>> can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element >>> analysis means. :-) >>> >>> Barry L. Ornitz >$ >$ Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I >$ presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that >$ there at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you... > > >Count another person. I use these tools in _electronics_ applications, >though.... presumably B. Orintz was thinking of mechanical uses like >speaker cone design... > Add one more to the list. It's been a while since I've done anything with it (like since college), so I'd need a refresher. It was part of my major however. Actually I think Barry was thinking about the many verbose inane postings by several unnamed people. Dave S.--
ornitz@kodak.UUCP (barry ornitz) (07/14/88)
In my original posting describing the speaker design bibliography, I wrote (somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but sadly often too true): ;-) I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are included. I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element analysis means. :-) Rich D'Ippolito took the challenge and asked seriously how many there really were out there: >Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I >presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that there >at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you... Then John Clark edited out one of the critical smileys in my statement in his quote and replied without deleting the expletive: >F**k You Finally Mike Zenter replied: >How aout this! These techniques are widely used in various chemical and >industrial engineering applications. Chock up another mark for someone >who knows what these terms mean :-). Guess that makes four as far as I've >seen on this end. However, as mentioned by another taker, I'm not familiar >with these applied to speaker design. Unless I am misreading John's reply, I only count three, but then Mike may get his postings a day or so ahead of me. Actually to answer Rich's question, I can name several net readers immediately that can be added: Larry Lippman, Bob Zhome, jj at Bell Labs, and especially Dick Pierce who posted speaker design software to the net a few months back. Sadly there are too many others {to fan the flames - let me call them programmers :-) } who continue to believe the snake oil claims. For these folks, I have a bottle of oxygen-free, low-conductivity mercury for sale to the highest wreck.audio bidder.....and don't believe the stories about the Mad Hatter and his great component system! :-) 73 Barry ----------------- | ___ ________ | | | / / | | Dr. Barry L. Ornitz UUCP:...!rochester!kodak!ornitz | | / / | | Eastman Kodak Company | |< < K O D A K| | Eastman Chemicals Division Research Laboratories | | \ \ | | P. O. Box 1972 | |__\ \________| | Kingsport, TN 37662 615/229-4904 | | -----------------
swansonc@stolaf.UUCP (Christopher D. Swanson) (07/17/88)
In article <6198@aw.sei.cmu.edu> rsd@ae.sei.cmu.edu.UUCP (Rich D'Ippolito) writes: >In article <1309@kodak.UUCP> barry ornitz writes about a speaker design >publication list: > >>;-) I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are >> included. I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers >> can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element >> analysis means. :-) >> >> Barry L. Ornitz > >Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I >presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that there >at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you... > > >Rich Make that 3. Christopher D. Swanson Systems Operator Academic Computing Center St. Olaf College Northfield, MN 55057 UUCP: <swansonc@agnes>@stolaf UUCP alternate: ..{ihnp4,umn-cs}!stolaf!agnes!swansonc INTERNET: <stolaf!agnes!swansonc>@umn-cs.ARPA AT&T: Work: (507)-663-3096 Home: (507)-663-2350 I would deny this reality, but that wouldn't pay the bills...
myers@hpfclm.HP.COM (Bob Myers) (07/27/88)
OK, Barry, count another in. I suspect that there are at least a total of 8 of us out there, too, but you'd admittedly never know it from reading wreck.audio. Gotta go - got a new batch of oxygen-free titanium-tungsten plated ultra-teflon-jacketed mercury filled speaker cables in the oven... Bob M. HP hplabs!hpfcla!myers