[sci.electronics] New poll

rsd@sei.cmu.edu.UUCP (07/12/88)

In article <1309@kodak.UUCP> barry ornitz writes about a speaker design
publication list:

>;-)  I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are
>     included.  I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers
>     can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element
>     analysis means.                                                     :-)
>
>                                             Barry L. Ornitz

Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I
presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that there
at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you...


Rich

mark@mips.COM (Mark G. Johnson) (07/13/88)

>>;-)  I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are
>>     included.  I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers
>>     can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element
>>     analysis means.                                                     :-)
>>
>>                                             Barry L. Ornitz
$
$ Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I
$ presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that
$ there at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you...


Count another person.   I use these tools in _electronics_ applications,
though....   presumably B. Orintz was thinking of mechanical uses like
speaker cone design...
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zentner@cb.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Zentner) (07/14/88)

In article <2585@obiwan.mips.COM> mark@obiwan.UUCP writes:
>;-)  I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are
>     included.  I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers
>     can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element
>     analysis means.                                                     :-)
>
>                                             Barry L. Ornitz

How aout this!  These techniques are widely used in various chemical and
industrial engineering applications.  Chock up another mark for someone
who knows what these terms mean :-).  Guess that makes four as far as I've
seen on this end.  However, as mentioned by another taker, I'm not familiar
with these applied to speaker design.

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daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) (07/14/88)

>>>;-)  I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are
>>>     included.  I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers
>>>     can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element
>>>     analysis means.                                                     :-)
>>>
>>>                                             Barry L. Ornitz
>$
>$ Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I
>$ presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that
>$ there at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you...
>
>
>Count another person.   I use these tools in _electronics_ applications,
>though....   presumably B. Orintz was thinking of mechanical uses like
>speaker cone design...
>

Add one more to the list. It's been a while since I've done anything
with it (like since college), so I'd need a refresher.
It was part of my major however.

Actually I think Barry was thinking about the many verbose inane
postings by several unnamed people.

Dave S.-- 

ornitz@kodak.UUCP (barry ornitz) (07/14/88)

In my original posting describing the speaker design bibliography, I wrote
(somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but sadly often too true):

;-)  I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are
     included.  I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers
     can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element
     analysis means.                                                     :-)

Rich D'Ippolito took the challenge and asked seriously how many there really
were out there:

>Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I
>presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that there
>at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you...

Then John Clark edited out one of the critical smileys in my statement in his 
quote and replied without deleting the expletive:

>F**k You

Finally Mike Zenter replied:

>How aout this!  These techniques are widely used in various chemical and
>industrial engineering applications.  Chock up another mark for someone
>who knows what these terms mean :-).  Guess that makes four as far as I've
>seen on this end.  However, as mentioned by another taker, I'm not familiar
>with these applied to speaker design.

Unless I am misreading John's reply, I only count three, but then Mike  
may get his postings a day or so ahead of me.  Actually to answer Rich's
question, I can name several net readers immediately that can be added:
Larry Lippman, Bob Zhome, jj at Bell Labs, and especially Dick Pierce who
posted speaker design software to the net a few months back.  Sadly there
are too many others {to fan the flames - let me call them programmers :-) }
who continue to believe the snake oil claims.  For these folks, I have a
bottle of oxygen-free, low-conductivity mercury for sale to the highest
wreck.audio bidder.....and don't believe the stories about the Mad Hatter
and his great component system!   :-)
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swansonc@stolaf.UUCP (Christopher D. Swanson) (07/17/88)

In article <6198@aw.sei.cmu.edu> rsd@ae.sei.cmu.edu.UUCP (Rich D'Ippolito) writes:
>In article <1309@kodak.UUCP> barry ornitz writes about a speaker design
>publication list:
>
>>;-)  I doubt if the various snake-oil designs popular on wreck.audio are
>>     included.  I also doubt if more than three or four wreck.audio readers
>>     can even understand what nonlinear optimization and finite element
>>     analysis means.                                                     :-)
>>
>>                                             Barry L. Ornitz
>
>Smileys or not, I'll take the wager. I am quite familiar with both. I
>presume you include youself, so that makes two of us. My guess is that there
>at least 8 more of us. Let's hear from you...
>
>
>Rich

Make that 3.

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myers@hpfclm.HP.COM (Bob Myers) (07/27/88)

OK, Barry, count another in.  I suspect that there are at least a total
of 8 of us out there, too, but you'd admittedly never know it from reading
wreck.audio.

Gotta go - got a new batch of oxygen-free titanium-tungsten plated
ultra-teflon-jacketed mercury filled speaker cables in the oven...


Bob M.

HP

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