[sci.electronics] trouble with TAXI

kumar@wucs1.wustl.edu (Arun Kumar) (12/10/88)

	I would like to get in touch with people who are working
to implement a communication link with the TAXI chip-set from AMD.

	I have built a transmitter/receiver pair, using TAXI's, that
attempts to transmit a 512*512*8 picture from one frame buffer to
another over an optical fiber. For electro-optic and opto-electric
conversion I use the ODL200 chip set from AT&T. The circuit used to
control the TAXI is built with FAST chips from Fairchild. The FAST
logic is wire-wrapped, yet it appears to work as expected. The fast
ECL connections between the TAXI's and the ODL200's are on a plain
vector board (no ground plane), but are short as short can be. I will
soon be putting everything on a 4-layer PCB. I seem to lose about 
1 pixel per hundred at transmission speeds of about 70 million bps.
I would like to run at the FDDI speed of 125 mbps.

	The TAXI chip set I have is not the long-promised final-
version from AMD, and I suspect that therein lies all the problem.
Is there anyone out there working with TAXI's, or implementing ANSI's
FDDI standard, who can help or sympathize? 
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murray@jumbo.dec.com (Hal Murray) (12/13/88)

We have some in the lab. They work as expected, but we may not have pushed
the rough edges. I haven't tried fibers yet.

I think we only ran the old 70MHz versions at about 60. That was the
crystal we had handy. We have a pair of the latest and greatest as of
several weeks ago.  They are still marked "SAMPLE", but work at full
speed. Maybe the offical production ones are on the shelves now.

What sort of error patterns are you seeing? The 4/5 encoding on the
serial link means that a "simple 1 bit error" probably turns into a
clump of 4 mashed bits, or 8 if the error crosses a nibble boundry.
(That's assuming you are running in 8 bit mode.)

If the fiber link is the problem, you should be able to see "funny" data
going into the recv TAXI and/or VLTNs on the reveiver output. Sync the
scope back on the transmit side and look at the eye pattern. I don't think
there are any specs in the data sheet, but it has to be pretty crisp. More
like a good digital signal rather than the sort of signal that a fancy
modem would be happy with.

AMD has a bunch of slides that talk about TAXI error rates. They claim 200
ft of RG-58A/U gets a byte error rate of 10^-10 at 70MHz. (I think this
was with the 70MHz parts.) This is for 2 hunks of coax in parallel to
carry the differential ECL signal.

You could try cutting out the fiber gizmos. A twisted pair should work for
several feet. Alternatively, try making the fiber path worse by adding
some attenuation, say by making the fibers longer. If you have to insert a
lot more fiber before anything changes, the fiber link is probably good
enough.