benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen) (12/16/88)
How do I use electricity (from a battery-6V lantern type) to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen? Please E-Mail me. P.S. don't flame me, this was the only place I could think of posting to. -- _ /| When you link up to a VAX or UNIX without a "shell", you're linking \'o.O' with every other VAX or UNIX that the admin has been with! =(___)= Stoplights timed for 35 MPH are also timed for 1,244,740 MPH!!!! U Don't respond to watmath!looking!funny.Flame to benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.com
micl23@inuxm.UUCP (W E Miller) (12/18/88)
> > How do I use electricity (from a battery-6V lantern type) to separate > water into hydrogen and oxygen? Please E-Mail me. P.S. don't flame me, > this was the only place I could think of posting to. > -- > _ /| When you link up to a VAX or UNIX without a "shell", you're linking > \'o.O' with every other VAX or UNIX that the admin has been with! > =(___)= Stoplights timed for 35 MPH are also timed for 1,244,740 MPH!!!! > U Don't respond to watmath!looking!funny.Flame to benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.com 1. Check the encyclopedia under "electrolysis". 2. Where is this month's royalty check for Bill??? :-) -- _ /| William E. Miller AT&T Consumer Products Indpls, IN \'o.O' These opinions are mine, and they're not for sale!! =(___)= 328 Cossell Dr. Indpls, IN 46224 U (317) 247-7321 (h) (317) 845-3882 (o) ACK! PHHT!
benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen) (12/20/88)
From hombre!uunet!datapg!sewilco Sat Dec 17 22:55:14 1988 Received: by ddsw1.MCS.COM (smail2.5) id AA29269; 17 Dec 88 22:55:11 PST (Sat) Received: by hombre.MASA.COM (smail2.5) id AA00483; 17 Dec 88 22:39:46 EST (Sat) Received: from datapg.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET (5.59/1.14) with UUCP id AA25038; Sat, 17 Dec 88 22:32:01 EST Received: by datapg.MN.ORG (smail2.5) id AA21689; 17 Dec 88 18:48:28 CST (Sat) To: benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.COM Subject: Re: Help with electo?????ing water Newsgroups: sci.electronics In-Reply-To: <2479@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Organization: Data Progress, Minneapolis, MN Cc: Date: 17 Dec 88 18:48:28 CST (Sat) From: uunet!datapg.MN.ORG!sewilco (Scot E Wilcoxon) Message-Id: <8812171848.AA21689@datapg.MN.ORG> In article <2479@ddsw1.MCS.COM> you write: > >How do I use electricity (from a battery-6V lantern type) to separate >water into hydrogen and oxygen? Please E-Mail me. P.S. don't flame me, >this was the only place I could think of posting to. Look at any children's chemistry experiments book. Get one insulated bowl full of water (that is, don't use the sink with a metal drainpipe). Put two small containers (test tubes) in the water, fill them, and raise their closed ends out of the water. You'll end up with two inverted containers with nothing but water in them. Remove some insulation from the ends of two wires. Put one end of each wire inside each of the inverted containers, with the exposed part of the wire within the container. Connect each wire to the battery. Electricity will flow between the wires. Bubbles will appear around each exposed wire, eventually bubbling up within the inverted containers. Twice as much hydrogen as oxygen will be produced. Wear safety goggles, don't ignite the gases, don't breathe these impure gases, don't cut yourself on the glass, don't drown in the water, and follow all safety precautions. --- Scot E. Wilcoxon sewilco@DataPg.MN.ORG {amdahl|hpda}!bungia!datapg!sewilco Data Progress UNIX masts & rigging +1 612-825-2607 uunet!datapg!sewilco I'm just reversing entropy while waiting for the Big Crunch. From lll-winken!ames.arc.nasa.gov!esl!esl.ESL.COM!fgg Mon Dec 19 10:12:25 1988 Received: by ddsw1.MCS.COM (smail2.5) id AA08368; 19 Dec 88 10:12:22 PST (Mon) Received: by lll-winken.llnl.gov (5.51/smail2.5); Mon, 19 Dec 88 09:32:10 PST id AA27447 for benfeen@ddsw1.mcs.com Received: Mon, 19 Dec 88 09:53:48 PST by ames.arc.nasa.gov (5.59/1.2) Received: by esl.ESL.COM (5.51/UUCP-Project/rel-1.0/01-26-87) id AA01550 for benfeen; Mon, 19 Dec 88 09:15:46 PST Date: Mon, 19 Dec 88 09:15:46 PST From: fgg@esl.ESL.COM (Farz Guilak) Message-Id: <8812191715.AA01550@esl.ESL.COM> To: benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.COM Subject: Electrolysis of water Hello Ben... I used to do this using a 12VDC transformer (stolen from a slot-car set) and two carbon rods ripped out of 'D' size batteries. Just tie the wires from the transformer onto the copper rods, immerse the rods in water, and turn on the power. The gasses will bubble off the carbon rods. You can use a test tube to collect the gasses by putting the rods into the test tubes under water. --Farz From lll-winken!lll-crg!ames!ll-xn!rochester!cci632!ccird3!rdi Mon Dec 19 10:12:27 1988 Received: by ddsw1.MCS.COM (smail2.5) id AA08374; 19 Dec 88 10:12:26 PST (Mon) Received: by lll-winken.llnl.gov (smail2.5) id AA27514; 19 Dec 88 09:37:51 PST (Mon) Received: from ames.arc.nasa.gov by lll-crg.llnl.gov (5.61/1.14) id AA11430; Mon, 19 Dec 88 09:54:14 PST Received: Mon, 19 Dec 88 09:52:48 PST by ames.arc.nasa.gov (5.59/1.2) Received: by XN.LL.MIT.EDU; Mon, 19 Dec 88 12:09:42 EST Posted-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 88 10:05:13 EST Received: by sol.cs.rochester.edu (3.2/k) id AA15054; Mon, 19 Dec 88 10:37:07 EST Received: from ccird3.cci by cci632.cci (5.54/5.17) id AA16869; Mon, 19 Dec 88 10:05:19 EST Received: by ccird3.cci (5.60/5.17) id AA08262; Mon, 19 Dec 88 10:05:13 EST Date: Mon, 19 Dec 88 10:05:13 EST From: lll-crg!ames!ll-xn!rochester!cci632!ccird3!rdi (Rick Inzero) Message-Id: <8812191505.AA08262@ccird3.cci> To: benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.COM Subject: Re: Help with electo?????ing water Newsgroups: sci.electronics In-Reply-To: <2479@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Organization: CCI, Communications Systems Division, Rochester, NY Cc: Well, here's how I used to do it in elementary school (on a tiny scale)... Take some copper bell wire, strip a few inches off the ends of 2 wires. Make a coil of the bare ends by winding it around a pencil. These are your electrodes. Take a large mixing bowl, fill it with warm/hot tap water. Add plenty of salt until the water looks cloudy. Connect the wires to the battery, and immerse them at opposite ends of the bowl. You should see bubbles rising from both wire coils... the one with the most bubbles rising from it is hydrogen (H2O-- twice as much hydrogen as oxygen). Take a small jar/test tube and submerge it in the water. Fill it with water and tip it upside down atop the desired coil, keeping the opening of the jar under water. The rising gas will displace the water, and you'll (eventually) have a jar full of either hydrogen or oxygen. --- Rick Inzero rochester!cci632!rdi Computer Consoles Inc. (CCI) uunet!ccicpg!cci632!rdi Rochester, NY uunet!rlgvax!cci632!rdi From lll-winken!cs.utexas.edu!bigtex!pmafire!mike Mon Dec 19 17:35:40 1988 Received: by ddsw1.MCS.COM (smail2.5) id AA23166; 19 Dec 88 17:35:37 PST (Mon) Received: by lll-winken.llnl.gov (5.51/smail2.5); Mon, 19 Dec 88 16:53:27 PST id AA01488 for benfeen@ddsw1.mcs.com Posted-Date: 19 Dec 88 12:16:03 MST (Mon) Received: by cs.utexas.edu (5.59/1.23) id AA01684; Mon, 19 Dec 88 19:13:59 CST Received: by bigtex.cactus.org (5.59/smail2.5/04-14-88) id AA24013; Mon, 19 Dec 88 19:05:12 CST Received: by pmafire.UUCP (smail2.3) id AA26460; 19 Dec 88 12:16:03 MST (Mon) To: benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.COM Subject: Re: Help with electo?????ing water Newsgroups: sci.electronics In-Reply-To: <2479@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Organization: WINCO, INEL, Idaho Cc: Date: 19 Dec 88 12:16:03 MST (Mon) From: pmafire!mike@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <8812191216.AA26455@pmafire.UUCP> In article <2479@ddsw1.MCS.COM> you write: > >How do I use electricity (from a battery-6V lantern type) to separate >water into hydrogen and oxygen? Please E-Mail me. P.S. don't flame me, >this was the only place I could think of posting to. >-- >_ /| When you link up to a VAX or UNIX without a "shell", you're linking >\'o.O' with every other VAX or UNIX that the admin has been with! >=(___)= Stoplights timed for 35 MPH are also timed for 1,244,740 MPH!!!! > U Don't respond to watmath!looking!funny.Flame to benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.com I did this in high school and this is how I remember it (It's been a few years). You will need to electrodes and unfortunately, platinum and palladium work the best but I think you can use any noble metal. I would try zinc and nickel just to save the expense. The reaction needs to be catalyzed to get a decent rate of production. Also, the water needs some impurites to conduct electricity, and a strong acid or base also supplies extra H+. What we did was take a tank and two burrets to allow removal of the gases. Submerge the burrets in the tanks and remove the stopcock end leaving the fill end in the tank. Then you will need to insert the electrodes inside the burrets and connect them to the battery. And viola with any luck you will see oxygen and hydrogen collecting in the burrets. Also, if you have an acid or base added to the water, be sure and wear gloves, eye protection, etc. -- Mike Caldwell Paths: ...uunet!bigtex!pmafire!mike | ...!ucdavis!egg-id!pma386!mike From lll-winken!RELAY.CS.NET!tektronix.tek.com!markh%pogo.gpid.tek.com Mon Dec 19 16:08:20 1988 Received: by ddsw1.MCS.COM (smail2.5) id AA20399; 19 Dec 88 16:08:19 PST (Mon) Received: by lll-winken.llnl.gov (5.51/smail2.5); Mon, 19 Dec 88 15:46:27 PST id AA00948 for benfeen@ddsw1.mcs.com Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ad09667; 19 Dec 88 15:52 EST Received: from tektronix.tek.com by RELAY.CS.NET id aa28528; 19 Dec 88 15:39 EST Received: by tektronix.TEK.COM (5.51/6.24) id AA05086; Mon, 19 Dec 88 12:30:50 PST Received: by pogo.GPID.TEK.COM (5.51/6.24) id AA20110; Mon, 19 Dec 88 12:28:38 PST Date: Mon, 19 Dec 88 12:28:38 PST From: Mark Hahn <markh%pogo.gpid.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET> Message-Id: <8812192028.AA20110@pogo.GPID.TEK.COM> To: benfeen%ddsw1.mcs.com@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Re: Help with electo?????ing water Newsgroups: sci.electronics In-Reply-To: <2479@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. I remember doing this with corbon rods (removed from cheap flashlight batteries) and sodium bi-carbonate solution (good old baking soda). Use 2 carbon rods (be careful removing them from batteries, they do contain acid and other unpleasant chemicals...you want zinc carbon batteries). Wrap copper wire around an end of each rod. Connect wire from one rod to positive side of a battery, wire from other rod to negative of battery. Dunk both rods in a dilute solution of baking soda (you might try 1 tsp per quart of water). Bubbles will start to form on the surface of the rods and eventually stream up to the top of the solution. One electrode produces hydrogen, the other produces oxygen (don't remember which is which). Be sure to use a glass container for this experiment (or at least a non-conducting one). Placing an inverted glass full of the solution over each electrode will capture the gas given off nicely. -- _ /| When you link up to a VAX or UNIX without a "shell", you're linking \'o.O' with every other VAX or UNIX that the admin has been with! =(___)= Stoplights timed for 35 MPH are also timed for 1,244,740 MPH!!!! U Don't respond to watmath!looking!funny.Flame to benfeen@ddsw1.MCS.com