[sci.electronics] Weather Satellite Receiver Question

john@anasaz.UUCP (John Moore) (09/26/89)

I am interested in building a system to receive WEFAX APT
pictures from at least the polar orbiting weather satellites
and maybe also from the geosynchronous ones. One question
I have is: what is a good receiver to use? I have a scanner
that can receive 137.5MHz but it's bandwidth is either 6kHz or 200kHz.
I understand that the appropriate bandwidth would be about 50kHz.

What do other experimenters do in this regard?

P.S. - I would expect to receive the GOES satellites with a down-converter
to the 137 MHz range, so the same receiver could be used for both.
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paul@hpldola.HP.COM (Paul Bame) (09/28/89)

>I am interested in building a system to receive WEFAX APT
>pictures from at least the polar orbiting weather satellites
>and maybe also from the geosynchronous ones. One question
>I have is: what is a good receiver to use? I have a scanner
>that can receive 137.5MHz but it's bandwidth is either 6kHz or 200kHz.
>I understand that the appropriate bandwidth would be about 50kHz.

I'm curious about this bandwidth thing too.  I have trouble believing
the FM signal actually has a short-term deviation of 50kHz - but I
*can* believe this might be wide enough to copy the signal during
the doppler shift from AOS to LOS (I haven't calculated this though, or
looked it up).

Would a NBFM (6kHz mentioned above) receiver work just as well as
one with a 50kHz bandwidth as long as the center frequency was
periodically changed to account for the doppler shift?

	-Paul Bame
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magore@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Mike Gore, Institute Computer Research - ICR) (09/28/89)

Hi John,

You wrote:

>		what is a good receiver to use? I have a scanner
>that can receive 137.5MHz but it's bandwidth is either 6kHz or 200kHz.
>I understand that the appropriate bandwidth would be about 50kHz.

>What do other experimenters do in this regard?

I replaced the filters in my unit with a MuRata 10.7MA and a muRata CFM455A.
My dual band IF uses 10.7MHZ and 455KHZ. The CFM455A gives +/- 17.5 KHZ
or 35KHZ total bandwidth. This filter works for me...

	I have a list that muRata sent me with the filter docs of
authorized distributors. For your area they have: 

Phoenix:
	Future Electronics
	602-968-7140

	Sterling Electronics
	602-268-2121

Tempe:
	Acacia/Deanco
	602-894-2874
	602-882-9054

	Time Electronics
	602-967-2000

muRata Erie North America Regional Sales Office Southwest:
	714-832-9972

>P.S. - I would expect to receive the GOES satellites with a down-converter
>to the 137 MHz range, so the same receiver could be used for both.


	Yes this works and is in fact what many people do. You might look into 
a reprint for "An S-Band Receiving System for Weather Satellites; 
Emilini, G. and Righini, M.: QST, August 1980". This can be obtianed from 
Mono Smith @ NOAA/NESDIS (1-301-763-8447). I just ordered my copy.

Good Luck,

PS. For others looking for muRata parts you might try asking asking someone
at their main number for a distributor nearer your area. Otherwise you may
try Future Electronics as they seem to have stores all over North America.

	muRata Erie
	2200 Lake Park Drive
	Smyma, Georgia 30080
	404-433-7820


[ No I don't work for them :-) ]	

PPS.
	Many receivers use an mc3259 or mc3261 FM IF chip. You might
have to reduce the resistor across the quad. coil to about 22k or so.
This resistor controls the output transfer for a given frequency swing.
The higher the resistor one has will increase the output voltage from the quad.
detector for a given frequency shift. So the idea is to reduce this value
such that one gets the max. output swing for a given signal bandwidth 
*but* without clipping.


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kenny@m.cs.uiuc.edu (09/29/89)

/* Written  2:51 pm  Sep 27, 1989 by paul@hpldola.HP.COM in m.cs.uiuc.edu:sci.electronics */
I'm curious about this bandwidth thing too.  I have trouble believing
the FM signal actually has a short-term deviation of 50kHz - but I
*can* believe this might be wide enough to copy the signal during
the doppler shift from AOS to LOS (I haven't calculated this though, or
looked it up).

Would a NBFM (6kHz mentioned above) receiver work just as well as
one with a 50kHz bandwidth as long as the center frequency was
periodically changed to account for the doppler shift?
/* End of text from m.cs.uiuc.edu:sci.electronics */

No.  Short-term deviation of 30KHz is common in metsat signals.  It's
still not as wide as commercial FM broadcast, but it's lots wider than
NBFM.

A-T