[sci.electronics] What is this tool called?

cyamamot@girtab.usc.edu (Cliff Yamamoto) (11/13/89)

Greetings,

I hope someone out there is familiar with this tool I'm looking for.  I
couldn't think of any other newsgroup who might know this.  Does anyone
know what "screw driver" is used to remove screws that have a six pointed
star in the head?  I'm running across these funny screws in equipment
lately (like a Compaq I was working on).  Some just have the "star" while
others have a "star" with a small protrusion in the middle.

What do you call these screws and what is the name for the tool to
remove them?  Would a local tool store carry them?

These screws look like you can torx them up pretty well considering the
way the "star" pattern is made.  Thanks for any help!

Cliff Yamamoto

vaso@mips.COM (Vaso Bovan) (11/13/89)

In article <6434@merlin.usc.edu> cyamamot@girtab.usc.edu (Cliff Yamamoto) writes:
>
>I hope someone out there is familiar with this tool I'm looking for.  I
>couldn't think of any other newsgroup who might know this.  Does anyone
>know what "screw driver" is used to remove screws that have a six pointed
>star in the head?  I'm running across these funny screws in equipment
>lately (like a Compaq I was working on).  Some just have the "star" while
>others have a "star" with a small protrusion in the middle.
>
>What do you call these screws and what is the name for the tool to
>remove them?  Would a local tool store carry them?
>
>These screws look like you can torx them up pretty well considering the
>way the "star" pattern is made.  Thanks for any help!
>
>Cliff Yamamoto

The screw head is in fact called "TORX," and is patented/licensed by Camcar-
Textron. There is the normal "indented" version, and a reversed version which
looks something like a hex head. TORX screws are increasingly popular, and
can be found for instance, in General Motors automobiles. The main advantage
of TORX over phillips is the wall design, which allows high torque without
cam-out and screw/bit galling. TORX screwdrivers can be found in most
electronics supply stores. The "protrusion" sounds like it is one of the
tamper resistant versions of TORX.

Phillips drive heads have many disadvantages, and should probably be phased
out. An alternative to TORX is POSIDRIV, which looks much like phillips, and
in an emergency, can be driven by phillips screwdrivers. Hewlett-Packard
uses POSIDRIV. In Europe, POSIDRIV is more popular than phillips.

dnewton@carroll1.UUCP (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton) (11/13/89)

In article <6434@merlin.usc.edu> cyamamot@girtab.usc.edu (Cliff Yamamoto) writes:
>These screws look like you can torx them up pretty well considering the
>way the "star" pattern is made.  Thanks for any help!

   Umm, I could be wrong, but from what you described, they _are_ torx-head
screws, and a torx driver should do the trick.  If they are torx, you answered
your own question.

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commgrp@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (11/13/89)

>Does anyone know what "screw driver" is used to remove screws that 
>have a six pointed star in the head?  I'm running across these funny 
>screws in equipment lately (like a Compaq I was working on).  Some 
>just have the "star" while others have a "star" with a small 
>protrusion in the middle.

>Cliff Yamamoto

TORX tools with the hole in the end are called "Security Torx."  They 
are needed for the "tamperproof" screws found, for example, in Compaqs 
and IBM PC power supplies.  I have a set bought at a non-chain 
hardware store, made by Vermont American Tool Co./P.O. Box 
340/Lincolnton NC 28093-0340  ph: (704) 735-7464.  They are also 
available from J.C. Whitney Auto Parts of Chicago, and I've found good 
selections of them at flea markets for 50 cents each.  They are 
specified by a number which increases with the size of the wrench: T-
20 is larger than T-10.  Most of the ones found in computers are T-15; 
the tiny T-7's needed for some hard-disk drives are hard to find.  
BTW, the center tits in small tamperproof Torx screws are brittle and 
easily broken off with a small punch.

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cyamamot@girtab.usc.edu (Cliff Yamamoto) (11/14/89)

In article <7200041@silver> commgrp@silver.bacs.indiana.edu writes:
>I have a set bought at a non-chain 
>hardware store, made by Vermont American Tool Co./P.O. Box 
>340/Lincolnton NC 28093-0340  ph: (704) 735-7464.
...[stuff deleted]...
>Most of the ones found in computers are T-15; 
>the tiny T-7's needed for some hard-disk drives are hard to find.  
>
>Frank Reid     W9MKV     reid@gold.bacs.indiana.edu

I'd like to send thanks to Frank and everyone else who responded.  I found
a local dealer who carries Vermont American Tools.  They make both regular
and "security" torx tools.

However, they don't make a T-15 driver with a 10" shank.  This is needed to
open Mac Pluses, SE's and SE/30's.  Does anyone know who makes something this
long.  I'm thinking about just buying a short T-15 driver and a cheap flat
blader driver with a long 8" shank.  Then I could take the long 8" shank and
"splice" it in the middle of the T-15 driver with two "collars" at the joints.

Any better ideas would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance
Cliff Yamamoto

seningen@oakhill.UUCP (Michael Seningen) (11/14/89)

Couldn;t tell you the name but I do know that I picked up
 an assorted set of screw drivers from Sears and several
 of the screw drivers were of the star flavor.


Mike Seningen
oakhill\!serval\!seningen

Normal Disclaimer:  although I do like craftmans tools

roy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) (11/14/89)

In <6434@merlin.usc.edu> cyamamot@girtab.usc.edu (Cliff Yamamoto) writes:
> Does anyone know what "screw driver" is used to remove screws that have
> a six pointed star in the head? [...] These screws look like you can
> torx them up pretty well considering the way the "star" pattern is made.

	Either this guy is pulling our collective leg or he inadvertantly
stumbled onto a pun.  The odds are that what you have is indeed a "TORX"
(trademark of TEXTRON) head screw.  These are used, for example, to hold
the Mac Plus and SE cases together.  They are fairly common in the
automotive industry; they were designed to be machine driven, whch means
that not only can they take quite a bit of torque before deforming, but
also that an automated driver will tend to center and seat itself without
skipping all over the place.  The first place I saw them was holding the
bezel onto a Tektronix o'scope.

	Any serious hardware store should have TORX drivers, although your
average place on the corner may not.  I got a set of four (sizes T15, T20,
T25, and T30) which should fit most screws you're likely to find, Stanley
part number 64-557.  Unfortunately, the shafts are not long enough to reach
the top 2 screws on a Mac case!

	In the unlikely event that it turns out not to be TORX, you could
have either plain Allen-head screws (not likely since you said you see a
star patten; Allens are just hexagonal insets) or rather rare Bristol head
screws.  I'd be stunned, however, if Compaq was using Bristols.  I think
I've seen one Bristol screw in a piece of equipment in my life.  Bristols
look sort of like TORX, but I think the points on the star stick out more.
In an emergency (i.e. you don't care what you do to either the screw or the
tool, and are willing to risk angering the Tool Gods) you can usually
manage to get either a TORX or a Bristol off with one or another size of
Allen wrench.
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commgrp@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (11/14/89)

>...a T-15 driver with a 10" shank...is needed to open Mac Pluses, 
>SE's and SE/30's.  Does anyone know who makes something this long.  
>I'm thinking about just buying a short T-15 driver and a cheap flat 
>blader driver with a long 8" shank.  Then I could take the long 8" 
>shank and "splice" it in the middle of the T-15 driver with two 
>"collars" at the joints.
>Any better ideas would be appreciated!
>
>Cliff Yamamoto

The special extra-long skinny T-15 Torx screwdriver for taking Mac's 
apart is available from:

Mac Warehouse                        Mac Connection    
1690 Oak St. P.O. Box 1579           14 Mill St.       
Lakewood NJ 08701                    Marlow NH 03456   
(800) 255-6227                       (800) 334-4444    

Call for catalogs.  I'm told that both are very reputable dealers. 
They also have special spreader-tools for separating Mac cases.

--

Frank     W9MKV     reid@gold.bacs.indiana.edu

bergman@m2c.m2c.org (Michael Bergman) (11/21/89)

A number of the mail order companies specializing in Macintoshes have
for some time offered "mac tool kits," the primary item of which is
the 10 inch Torx wrench.  Any Mac dealer/service center ought to be
able to sell you one.  I'm sure many of the more general mail-order
computer places would carry them now, as well.

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